Sunday, February 8, 2009

Guns Everyone Should Own

Despite my intentions I am still awake. Figured instead of tossing and turning in bed I would get up and write for a couple minutes then try again.

Today in between shooting we had a rather rambling conversation. Somehow (I think we were talking rifle calibers) I ended up mentioning owning a 30-30. Stephen said something that kind of stuck with me. He said "everyone should own one of those". That got me to thinking. What other guns should everyone own? This could easily become a 5K gun shop laundry list or get bogged down in caliber or platform debate but that is not my intention. I came up with a couple more guns that fall into the "everyone should own list".

1. The aforementioned 30-30 lever action. I like Winchesters better but they don't make then anymore. Marlins are a fine substitute.

2. 12 gauge pump shotgun. This could get sucked into the platform/ model argument but lets not go there. Stick with a common model from a major manufacturer and you should be fine.

3. Snub nosed .38/.357 revolver. Love em or hate em these guns pack a good wallop in a readily concealable and affordable platform. The combination of these three things IMHO puts them as a pistol everyone should have. If just to throw into your waistband when headed to the store for a quart of milk and the 1911 (because that is the only gun a 'real man' would ever choose) is too much trouble. Love em or hate em I guarantee if you purchase one of these it will find a good nitche in your collection.

I am not advocating this collection as the three best guns in the world or anything like that but I kind of think they are guns everyone should own. Can you think of any others?


Lweson said...

.22lr in any of its many shapes and forms.

Stephanie in AR said...

Thanks for the list just got dh to agree that we need something more than an air rifle on hand (worth the dead chickens). Not to raise anyone's hackles but which of those can be purchased at a box store? I'd like to get while the getting's good kwim. If I didn't miss the deadline due to the power outage the 4H is sending me for training (basic) in either rifle or shotgun maybe pistol depending on the other leader. Dusted a lot of Dad's shooting trophies but never was allowed to touch the guns then making a living took over- too bad isn't it?

Anonymous said...

.22lr, .30-06, .223, 9mm, .45acp

I say that because it seems you are going by a very common caliber basis for why said three guns should be owned, which means those three are also included into this list. I am just not listing them because you mentioned them, so, the end number would be 8 different firearm platforms that fire the 8 different calibers.

HermitJim said...

Very timely post as the nephew and I were looking at guns just today.

Nice to hear that the main ones we looked at were mentioned here. Thanks...

PreparingMama said...

Mossburg model 500 12 gauge is affordable, often going on sale at Big 5, between $199-$250. It comes with 2 barrels, a 26" for hunting and an 18.5" for home defense. It's a great deal because if you try to buy a barrel by itself, it's over $100! Nothing says "Get the hell out of my house or you are going to die!" better than pumping a shell into the chamber.

Anonymous said...

Check out the Saiga 12 gauge. It is a semi automatic which can use a 20 round drum magazine or 5 or 10 shot standard mags.
Aloha Steve

irishdutchuncle said...

any one of the aforementioned pieces, and a box of ammo in hand, is better than all the guns in the gun store. (possession being more important than concealability. IMHO) a family heirloom with a cold paper trail, so much the better if it shoots.

i like the s&w model 65, personally. a commander length 1911 would be nice though...

Anonymous said...

A Farmhouse battery: 30-30, 12 GA pump and 22LR rifle should cover the basics.

Don't overlook the used gun rack in the local Bait & Gun store. Often one can find serviceable guns for less than that new shiny gun in the Wall Mart store.

Guns are tools, not toys. It doesn't have to look pretty or "Tactical" to do the job it is intended for. If you should have to use it, the "Authorities" will confiscate it even if you were totally in the right, so buy cheep and get spares.

An old stevens pump will work just as good as a new Mossberg, probably better as it was made when guns were built by craftsmen.

The Urban Survivalist said...

When I went on my last gun buying spree I did a lot of my shopping at pawn shops. I found a Glock 27 for $325, a USP 9mm for $400, a couple of .22lr revolvers for $75 a piece and a Mossberg 500 for $30. You just have to be careful and know what to look for or you could get stuck with something that needs serious repair or is downright dangerous.

Anonymous said...

A good substitute for that snub nose is a small .380acp auto for even more concealability. The Kel-Tec looks like a toy, but I personally would feel pretty secure carrying it for quickie trips into town. I own a Charter Arms Undercover .38 special, but the Keltec is about 2/3 the size, with one more round in magazine - not too shabby.

For an urban 'assault rifle', those lever .357 carbines make some sense. LEO's aren't as intimidated by them as a evil black gun, and tube loaded has pretty decent caapacity - 10 or more. Couple with very common ammunition, I think they also belong.

magwa said...

Not just a very good all around selection for firearms but a good all around selection for any total survivalist environment. City, suburb, country.

Remember to also choose your loads to best suit your specific environment. City, suburb, country, apartment, condo, home on the range.

EverydayPrepper said...

I still have a preference for a Glock 19 and a AK-47 clone.

That gives you 2 guns that can be somewhat mistreated and still work flawlessly. Nothing better than always having a gun that goes bang.

The Glock 19 (9mm) doesn't have so much recoil that a woman is to scared of it and still packs quite a punch.
The AK clone will be effective out to 200 yards at least and if you are fighting at over 200 yards you probably have more options than a fire fight anyway.

After you own those I would say a .22 and Shotgun would be next on my list. If I thought about it a little more I could probably justify getting the .22 before the AK clone but I'm not going to think that much :)

Mike said...

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Thanks. said...

I'd consider availability of ammo very important.


.22LR - must have. If you have only one rifle have this one.

one of these:
30-30, .308, or 30-06

12 or 20 gauge shotgun - must have

a sidearm

Anonymous said...

Take into account your overall world-view and backup plans. I say:

1) .30-06 (or .308) bolt-action
2) 9mm (or .45 ACP) handgun
3) .22 LR (bolt-action or semi-auto)

You should choose VERY common calibers. If you have to "bug out" you'll be happy to have guns that require easily obtainable ammo.

If society does happen to fall apart for a while, and the dollar fails us, unique calibers will put you in a weak bartering position. My world-view is that we are headed for some serious turmoil and society as we know it will be forever changed. How bad, I should know! Why aren't we rioting like other parts of the world? We're too fat and interested in B. Spears' career to care about the fact that the rich are making some of the greatest profits in history - and few are going to jail! Geithner should be in JAIL! What else is new?

I sometimes wish I had purchased an AR-15 instead of my .30-06, but imagined that I would not be trying to enter firefights - in fact, avoiding them at all costs! Travel at night, sleep during the day. Ragnar Benson would be proud.

I live in a major metropolitan area and would be hiking out of the city if I stayed a little too long before the military/organized looters set up road blocks (or the highway I chose got clogged). So I planned my purchases more according to utility and weight - as opposed to the ability to take out squads of "thugs" of any type.

And by utility I mean a focus on game gathering, backed by point-blank-range ferocity in my XDM 9mm - if I actually had to fend of a group of looters.

I also have a youth, bolt-action .22 LR for feral dogs and smaller game - although a Ruger 10/22 isn't that much heavier and you've got at least nine quick follow-up shots. But for now the youth model because it's really lightweight (attached to my backpack), bolt-action may be a little more accurate, and it would be "safe" in the hands of a youngster or female that had never even fired a gun before. Plus, you can carry a lot of ammo for it and it takes the very quiet, short-ball rounds: squirrels, cats, and headshots without creating know.

I have a shotgun at my parents' house, which is ultimately my goal in the event of chaos (I'd rather die defending myself with my family rather than holed up in the house I'm renting with roommates that are Obama fans and oblivious to what, is, going, on - "Why do you have so much canned soup and propane?"). But if leaving my house seems like 51% a bad idea, I can hold out for a couple months with a tarp on the roof for rainwater and trash bags for “by-products”. In the event of a flu outbreak and SIRQ scenario (Google: self-imposed reverse quarantine) I could also stay put. But, but, but, I think any urban area could turn into a Bagdad quagmire of house searches.

That's why my focus is on mobility. I'm too young, isolated (I wish I could be part of a community somewhere, where self-reliant activities are meaningful and people play board games, read interesting books, and get exercise instead of watching TV) and far from loved ones to stand and defend where I live.

Before I decided to get the auto-loader I was going to buy the S&W 442. Seriously dependable, Massad Ayoob approved, and fekin' cool. You can put it in your pocket and nobody's the wiser. But, I went with the pistol because I figured if I actually was going to need it I'd want to spend the least amount of time worrying about reloading. The 442 would have been in my pocket as we speak, but I realized that it would be for self-defense from thugs on the street, ready to claw their face off for another drag on a crack pipe. I work downtown, but during the day. I am always alert: splatter vision, staying in the light, drinking at home instead of in public, watchful of the "aimless", etc. But I'm thinking long-term: I can still whip my 9mm out if I need it, but I won't have to worry about speed strips when my accuracy drops because I'm high on adrenaline. No joke, a friend of my got stuffed into a car over the holidays. He was drunk downtown and they beat him for his pin numbers – driving him around to ATMs to be sure. He woke up in the hospital.

Even my naysayer dad is starting to come around to the idea that the bad news isn't just filler for commercials anymore. He's actually taking my advice on stocking up on some basic supplies. He agrees, if things aren’t as bad as they say you can always eat the canned food! And you can get it cheap. There’s always canned food on sale. And just my opinion, but don’t buy canned corn or green beans. Think about it: buy soups that have the same vegetables, the same amount of calories as an MRE (check the labels to make sure you not buying “fancy” broth – if you like broth buy bouillon cubes), that take up the same amount of space. The only two advantages of MREs: they last longer and you can carry a lot more calories - it’s all about the calorie/weight ratio. Don’t bug out with canned food unless you’re in an RV or you’re sure the highways will be open. (I will probably take some with me anyway because I bought one of those game haulers that carry over 500 lbs. – I’ve got too much gear to leave behind, but I’ve got it divided and compartmentalized so if I absolutely, positively could only grab one bag I would only be missing out on extras and “creature comforts” – in fact, I wish I could trade my car in for a dual-sport motorcycle – who cares if the highways are clogged!)

Another thing about MREs: if you’re tight on cash, why buy MREs with the full meal pack? You’re paying twice as much for some crackers, utencils, some fruit, and if you’re lucky, a mini bottle of Tabasco. Just get the entrees. And the dehydrated stuff is even better for carry – if procuring safe water isn’t a problem.

About becoming a refugee (relying on other people for your life): include in your plan that your house is burning or otherwise unsafe and you have no choice but to hit the road.

So, I'm not sorry this turned into a rant, and I think you should consider the fact that you may need to carry what you've got. Anything out of range of my pistol will have to deal with my rifle. Quiet shots, and small, four legged critters will be in my .22’s iron sights. (speaking of iron sights I was really disappointed in myself for getting my “06” without them. What if my cheap scope breaks?)

If I were to start over, without any guns, knowing what I know now, and wanted to focus more on defending myself from two-legged threats it'd be a solid AR-15 and .45 ACP. Two guns, less ammo to carry, and juuuuust enough to hunt game under less-than-ideal circumstances. But the shotgun only if you're planning on shooting down a hallway and you want to have no doubt about knocking someone down.

Mobility, mobility, mobility. Unless you already live in your rural community of choice, think "carry". If you want to lose weight, gain strength, and get ready for hiking fill your backpack full of canned food and go on a walk everyday. Embarrassed or alive?

So why all this? Well, your guns are tools. Don’t buy what’s cool. Buy what you’ll use. I didn’t get a .45 because I don’t want all that kick if I’m firing more than 20 rounds. I got a Pachmayr buttpad (decelerator) for my “06”. And the guns have to fit in your strategy. I’m no expert, but I feel that if even one person benefits from this perspective, even if it helps them decide to buy contrary to my recommendations (better for their personal circumstances) than it will all be worth it.

Wolverines! I’d like to think Jed had a .30-06.

Anonymous said...

I think pretty much everybody with any G2 at all owns a rifle, a pistol and a shotgun. Which one just sort of depends on your personal preferences.

Trini Airguns said...

An air rifle. Very useful for a number of reasons: Plinking in your backyard without scaring the neighbours, if you can't get to the range; hunting small game in 'stealth mode'; teaching a child to shoot; dispatching pests like squirrels, rats, etc.

vlad said...

I like to use very quiet ammo for hunting.

re CCI 22 CB Longs
Survival Guns by Mel Tappan
page 177 quote " In a barrel of 22" or longer the CB cap is almost totally silent. At a distance of 8 feet from the muzzle of my 24" Anschutz, the sound level from firing was only 9 db, and at 15 feet was totally inaudible. Not only does this lack of noise make the CCI long CB caps desireable for indoor or backyard target practice, it makes them virtually a necessity for survival use should you ever need to do some shooting without attracting attention or alarming game in the neighborhood."

The subsonic ammo in this article is more powerful than CB Longs,
and only a little noisier from a long barrel.

Anonymous said...

I Would say that a Marlin mod 39a
.22 lever action should be at the top of that list followed by a 12 gauge and a .38 or better pistole

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