Friday, September 1, 2017

Real World Bug Outs Continued

Yesterdays Real World Bug Outs post got a lengthy comment from Aesop that I wanted to discuss. I will post it and my comments will be in italics.

My bug-out prep would be for 5 minutes and 30 minutes, but with kids, I could see a 15 minute instead of 5 becoming necessary.

It always takes more time to parade the troops.

Anything not important enough to grab and load in 30 minutes isn't vital anyways.
BTW, That's 10 3-minute round trips.

I think we could talk in circles about what the right time amounts are. As I look at my list the initial 15 minute time hack is way longer than I would need to do what is on the list. 5 might be a bit optimistic (where are my darn keys right now, etc all) but I could certainly call it 10. It would be 15 at least with kids. 

For the long time I need to think about it a bit more.
So besides figuring what you're carrying, break down those ten (or whatever, your house may be shorter trips than mine) trips into what you grab with each one, based again on triaging priorities. That way, if things get worse, you still got the most important stuff first.

I like the list broken down by trip idea. That is neat. 
i.e. Notional trip List

1) Important stuff - briefcase and B.O.B.
2) comms, backups, maps, compass, GPS, etc.
3) Weapons & ammo
4) Water and filters
5) shelter - tent, sleeping bags, etc.
6) medical
7) tools, traps, & gear
8) food
9) more clothes, boots, etc.
10) more food, water, addl. supplies

(And don't forget the carrier(s) for Fido and Fluffy, their food, bowls, leashes, waste management supplies, etc.!)

This is where the real world part comes in. We aren't fleeing the zombie apocalypse to go camp in the woods or something. Thus a need for a tent and traps and a bunch of bulk food isn't present. I'll be living on a couch or in a cheap motel eating pizza or microwave food from the grocery store. So I do not need to waste time and space on that stuff. Having some capability, like a BOB makes sense but that time and vehicle space would be much more useful for Great Grandmas rocking chair or something. I suppose the specific event and your plan will ultimately dictate. I can see myself ending up with 2 lists, one for an event during normal times and another or the dreaded zombie apocalypse.

More trips?
Make a longer list, as appropriate.

Then print it out.
Then put a house plan map, with trip number items color-coded, circled, and pre-packed into appropriate bags/bundles, on the back side.
Then make several two-sided color copies.
Then laminate them, and put them in appropriate places.

You kind of lost me with the talk of color coding and circling. Pre packing stuff makes sense though. I am pretty much there. Concur about the list. My plan is to firm it up an then do just that.

Anything not hot/cold/time sensitive, as much as possible, should be pre-staged in the vehicle(s), which saves you needless trips.

Pre staging stuff in a risky situation (there is a fire nearby, not quite close enough to evacuate yet, etc) certainly makes sense. Having your normal vehicle loaded to bug out at all times sounds kind of problematic. A full set up ready to go in a dedicated vehicle would be cool if you have one and a relatively secure place to store it.

Aesop said...
(Oh, and it should go without saying, your vehicle(s) should already have a list of items always in them 24/7/365 - tools, spares, flares, fluids, fire ext., first aid kit, etc., and a schematic of where they're stored, and what needs to be checked/replaced, at least twice a year. Just like the .Mil has done with jeeps, trucks, HMMWVs, MRAPs, APCs, and tanks since we stopped using horses. Doing this on the changes back/forth from Daylight Savings Time, which is always a Sunday, gives you winter/summer changeovers, along with swapping out stored batteries, rotating stored food, and changing active batteries in your smoke and CO2 detectors, and checking your household fire extinguisher(s). All of which people have, right? RIGHT?)

I concur with this and have more or less the same set up in my vehicle.

Kids bags being "too hard" is a cop out.

I am inclined to agree with you. The difference is you and I are fairly committed to all of this stuff. Normal folks aren't. So what is an acceptable level of hassle to you is not to them.

If they grow that fast, just put one full set of clothes into the bag once a week with laundry, and swap 'em out. You're gonna wash them and fold 'em anyways, so it ain't that tough. Or even once a month.

So obviously what's really kickin' somebody's butt there is self-discipline.

Excuses are just wallpaper for a pile of crap.

The briefcase idea is always right, going back to the second Bond movie.

Having your passport/IDs, important stuff, emergency cash, and some handy weapons and gadgets in a Get Out Of Dodge case or carryall is Survival 101, going as far back as the WWI precursors to the OSS 100 years ago.

I use a small backpack so I can stuff it into my BOB if needed.

Go over each item on a monthly basis, i.e. one item per month.

E.g., on that list, in February, you'd put fresh road maps, topos, state gazeteers, etc. in your map case, put in fresh stored (NOT kept inside the devices) spare batts for your GPS and handhelds, make sure your personal CEOI (local freqs, buddies' freqs, cellphone, e-mail, and snail mail addys for family, friends, neighbors, important contacts - banks, utilities, credit card companies, insurance agents and companies, emergency resources - Poison control, doctors, hospitals, red cross, state and federal FEMA, and anything else you want/need/think is cool etc. is all up to date and current, laminated, duplicated, etc.

And everything should be in both paper copies, AND a bombproof/waterproof/disasterproof encrypted thumb drive or three. You should have some of those stored/buried/cached offsite in redundantly redundant places, with all your important records archived.

This is on my to do list.

You can also fit more photos than anyone should own on the newer high-cap drives, and save yourself toting cartons of albums of otherwise irreplaceable family pics.

Scanning photos is a great idea. I will add it to my to do list.

For one example, you can put one or more such drives in one of the cute anodized, o-ring sealed aluminum "pill carrier" tubes, go to a close relative's house outside your region, unscrew the center latch of an interior door like a closet, get a paddle bit, and put a suitable hole into the jamb. Deposit the tube, put the latch back in place, screw it down on most of the screws, and epoxy in a broken-off dummy screw head for the remaining hole(s), and unless their house burns down or washes away too, it'll be there until you need it, or get old enough to go senile and forget you put it there.

I would probably just ask them to hold onto said thumb drive for me.

If you have masonry bits and some camo skillz plus a glue gun, you can do this with a brick in a pile, a rock, a tree trunk or stump, a plug/switch box in conduit, or about 1000 other places. The places where you can stash stuff you might want, but don't want to carry are mainly only limited by your imagination.

This kind of thing definitely has some cool possibilities. I am certainly a fan of caches.

And the fatter aluminum tubes about 3" long hold 30+ quarter-sized coins. Imagine pre-65 silver, or 1/4 oz. gold Canadian Maple leaf coins, and each one is a stash of $90-9000 US dollars of actual money. Just saying.


Aesop said...

Thanks for blogging my reply. (I did the same thing, and a ready-made post is always a good thing.)

1) Concur on the "two lists" idea, one for regular displacement, and another for the never-coming-back Zombie apocalypse.


You're heading to Grandma's house next state over. Or wherever.
Get detoured/traffic hell/vehicle problem/breakdown en route.
Okay for regular list if you're in town.
But if you're stuck in BFEgypt Middle of Nowhere, a tent and such might be a much better idea than sleeping cramped up inside the car.
Just saying, there probably shouldn't be that much difference.
I'm sure you've read Zero's blog, and seen multiple stories of people on ordinary trips who ended up in an accident, stranded, lost, clueless, unprepared, etc.
I think in terms of Gilligan's Island:
"a three hour tour, a three hour tour..."
Except no Ginger or Maryanne.

2) As to the list and color coding:
An example
Item 1, briefcase/backpack and B.O.B. - the red circled "1", in the gun safe
Item 2, maps & comms - the black circled "2" in the hall closet, top shelf
Item 3, weapons & ammo - the green circled "3" in the gun safe
Item 4, water & filters - the blue circled "4" in the garage cabinet
and so on.
Schematic plan of house, what the item is, where it is, etc.
In case you've got help for packing (spouse/gf/older kids/etc.):
"You grab the evens, and I'll grab the odds." etc.
But also because in times of stress, your memory and critical thinking goes to shit.
Having your brains on paper in front of your face saves time.
Easy is smooth, Smooth is fast.
If anyone's location enables them to stage them mostly all together side by side, to minimize where/how far each trip is, good for you.

Aesop said...

3) Pre-packing some things is what I was getting at, not leaving the whole vehicle loaded 24/7/forever with everything. Unless you can afford that, and buying a surplus tank or APC.
A pre-packed map case should already be in the car. Fits under the seat in most vehicles. Then all you'd have to grab for an evac is the GPS, radios, phone gear, etc. and batts.
And while you don't need 5 jerry cans of water in the car all the time, putting in a really good Katadyn etc. filter takes up about the space of a flashlight, but gets you water anytime or place if you've got anything wet to filter. And 2.5 gal mil-spec style water jugs are 2 1/2 days of water for 1 person in a space a little bigger than a .50 cal ammo can, and much sturdier than a milk jug.

Just saying, if there's anything that can live just as well in the car as at home, or you have the means to have two of something (can opener, water filter, whatever) then having one in the car already saves you trips, which is time, which could get you out alive, or ahead of the rush, and in much better shape at the other end.

Pack your car like a firefighter packs a truck, or a movie prop guy packs his prop van: take everything you might need that'll fit, because once you get there, you don't know what you'll find, and what you will need. And you never know what's really going to happen to you once you leave the garage.

The car all-the-time kit's another topic/post, but back in the day, I could fit a whole lot of emergency goodness in one laundry-basket sized Rubbermaid tote bin.
I once had a regular driving territory every week that took me from L.A. to the Colorado River and back, including beach/ocean area, oak chaparral, forested mountains in the snow line, and Sonoran desert. And the same for movie work, for years and ongoing, everywhere in SoCal from Santa Barbara to San Diego to Death Valley To Vegas to Salton Sea, on dirt roads, at the beach, in a desert lake bed, and at 7000' in the mountains, many/most times miles from cell reception or anything like civilization. I could leave in sunshine and be sitting in fresh snow, sleet, or freezing rain, same day; or leave in marine layer clouds, and spend the day in 110-degree desert, followed by 60-degree desert night.
One winter day I left Furnace Creek in Death Valley (-282 feet el.) at 70 degrees, and spent the day working at sea level above and outside the valley in a wind chill of 26 degrees (40 degrees outside, and 45+MPH winds). Having "stuff" in the car is the difference between a day trip, and a survival ordeal.

Best regards,

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