Showing posts with label 7.62x39. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 7.62x39. Show all posts

Friday, May 8, 2015

Friday Question: Plate Carriers and 7.62x39 JHP Ammo

Question in bold. My answer in italics.

Do you recommend any of the online plate carrier/steel plate dealers? Looking for good quality (350-500$) as the gear will be taken in and out of a truck daily. There is also a big blackberry problem in the area and the thorns can fray nice fibers easily. Do you know anything or have any recommendations about Special Operations Equipment ?

Ryan here: My steel plate setup is AR500 plates in an Exo Carrier from JRH Enterprises. It is more of a full body armor set up than a stripped down minimalist plate carrier but I am happy with it so far. If I was looking for a more PC type set up I would get a set of AR-500 plates and a Condor PC.

Honestly if I was worried about thorns tearing something up I would do the math on replacing it every 3-4 years if/ when it gets torn up enough to genuinely not function. IMO this lends itself to a more affordable set up like Condor than a more expensive set up.

I do not personally own any of their stuff but I have only heard good things about Original SOE gear. Lots of professional and semi professional hard use types swear by their stuff.

Also any personal experience with the 8m3- 7.62x39 round?

Ryan here: Honestly I had to google this one. From what I can tell it is a 124 gr JHP round imported by Wolf and maybe some other folks. Honestly exact sourcing and branding on com bloc stuff is kind of iffy but I'm doing my best.  

I have shot a fair bit of this ammo. My rifle really likes it and a 7.62x39 hollow point is going to be a heck of a man stopper or medium sized game round. My rifle shoots it with the same reliability and accuracy as normal 7.62x39 FMJ ammo. I prefer the HP stuff as it offers a significant ballistic advantage. My stash of AK ammo is probably 60% normal FMJ and 40%  8m3 or similar HP ammo. Honestly of the two I buy whatever is cheapest. With an AK if you put round(s) generally where they are supposed to go it will do it's job. If prices are the same I buy HP ammo.

Hopefully that answers your questions.

Apologies if these are answered on the blog. I don’t always have time to get on but send an email.

Thank you again Ryan!

Friday, February 7, 2014

Fighting Load Entry #8 by Mike P

 Today I am proud to bring Entry #8 of our Fighting Load Contest by Mike P

We'll be talking chest rigs and battle belts as well as guns and get home bags/ assault packs. Get yours together to win some great prizes including:
1st: Blackhawk 3 day Assault Pack ($90) AND a $50 gift certificate from ($50 value) plus 2 copies of The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
2nd: HERC stove from Titan Ready Water ($169 value) plus The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
Note: Prizes 1 and 2 are really closely matched. As such the overall winner can pick the Lucky Gunner stuff OR the HERC. 2nd place gets what is left. 2 books will go to #1 and 1 book to #2.
3rd Place: 3 Sport Berkey Water Bottles donated by LPC Survival ($69 value)
4th Place:  A Lifestraw donated by Camping Survival ($20 value)
5th Place: A pair of Gyver Gear survival tin's
6th Place: The Western Front (hardcopy) or 3x e books by Archer Garrett.
Wildcard: This one goes to whoever I want to give it to for whatever reason I feel like. It will be a grab bag donated by yours truly. The exact makeup is TBD depending on what I have lying around  and may include books, gear, medical stuff or even a couple silver dimes. ($30+  value).
For a good example of a post reference my EDC Contest entry. Those should give you a good idea what type of thing I'm looking for. I will probably do a full fighting load post some time before the contest is over.

The contest is going to run from today 16 December to  around 1 March. Voting will start after the last entry is shown on the blog. Voting will run for about a week and will decide the winner's who get the prizes.

So, here is my current fighting load, minus my OSOE AK chest rig which is out on loan to a friend who is attending a few classes over the winter. Wont be back until well after this contest closes.

Kit is as follow's:

Rifle Dynamics AK-47 AMD-65 with Fuller Rear Sight Mod, Primary Arms Micro Dot, Surefire G2X Light (other side of rifle, sorry),  AMD-65-Tech cheek riser, OSOE 2 point bungee sling w/ quick release.

13 Yugo BHO AK-47 magazines. Usually carried as 1 in rifle, 8 mags in chest rig & 4 mags in Voodoo mag carrier on assault pack belt.

GLOCK 19C, Crossbreed Supertuck deluxe, four 15 round GLOCK mags (one in gun, one in a kydex pocket carry edc sheath, two in Blackhawk double mag carrier on assault pack belt).

Streamlight Stylus Pro, pocket carry.

Smith & Wesson folder, pocket carry.

Mora Knife.

Maxpedition Vulture 2 assault pack, Maxpedition tool case w/ weapons cleaning kit/spare parts, Maxpedition admin pouch (center belt), Maxpedition radio holder with Baofeng UV5R (1 of 8 in our group), Blackhawk double mag carrier, Voodoo 4x AK mag carrier, el-cheapo IFAK with Blow Out Kit & boo-kit (usually carried in chest rig). Strei-Pen/Water bladder. 

Contents of bag can be added need be...

Hope this makes the cut!

Yours in Liberty,
Mike P

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it."
-Patrick Henry

End Post.

Ryan here and as always a big thanks to Mike for the entry. I've got to say I really like this setup! A very well set up fighting rifle in the form of an excellent AK is a great start. This rifle dynamics AK probably cost some coin but a common man prices WASR or PAP could be set up basically the same way. 
While I lean slightly towards the AR platform due to thousands of hours of use and it's large logistical trail (not sure if that's the right way to say it but so many people and groups use AR's thus parts, mags, ammo are out there in huge numbers.) but the AK has some real advantages. First of all 7.62x39 ammo is currently running $219 for1,000 rounds. That means it is more cost effective to stock it and TRAIN with your rifle. Also while it is admittedly a race to the bottom I would lean towards an AK over an AR in terms of sheer ruggedness. Say what you want about them but the darn things rarely break.

Can't every argue with a Glock 19 except that it's boring, as in boringly accurate,  boringly reliable and used by so many different types of serious hard use folks that reading that list would be boring too.

The only thing I could really add would be some chow. Honestly that might well be in the assault pack and just not listed. In any case a $3 box of granola bars and an MRE or a 2nd box of bars would fix that.

Edited to include: After an email conversation with Mike he has 3 days worth of chow in the assault pack. Most excellent. End edit. 

Note I have a few more entries stacked up ready to go. Due to some complications in the last contest I leave them marked as unread in my in box until I'm ready to post them. You won't hear from me until I get around to putting your entry up on the blog.
Got Fighting Load?

Sunday, October 20, 2013

What Did You Do To Prepare This Week?

I ordered a case of Tula 122gr HP ammo from Lucky Gunner.

Ordered 250 rounds of 12 gauge #6 shot from Lucky Gunner.

Put together my HSGI War Belt.

Edited to include: Added dog food to the family movers vehicle kit. Also purchased a new flashlight (Streamlight Microstream) to try for EDC. So far I like it a lot. 

This coming week I need to order a holster, put a few finishing touches on the ALICE pack and maybe order some food.

What did you do to prepare this week?

Saturday, March 9, 2013

Standardization of Weapons

Through a lot of effort and energy some good things have happened over the past few months:
We have standardized pistols to .22lr, .38/.357 revolvers and 9mm Glocks.
Our shotgun platform is the Remington 870 3".
Rifles are still where they are with .223/5.56, 7.62x39, 30-30 and 30'-6. That may or may not change. The working stuff is pretty much consolidated. The outliers are still in common calibers and good guns so I am disinclined to get rid of them.

 It might be worth considering swapping your oddball(s) for another gun that fits into your  situation. Simple is good.


Tuesday, January 15, 2013

If Things Go Back To Normal I Will Buy....

After identifying some relative shortages this is about what I will buy over the course of the next year if things go back to normal.

-6 Glock 17 mags

-5 Ruger BXP 25 rd mags
-4 more 33rd factory Glock 9mm mags

-3 cases of ammo (2x223, 1x 9mm)

-2 75rd Eastern European surplus AK drums and

-1 AR-15 stripped lower receiver

What would you buy? Try to be realistic. I would LIKE to get an AR pistol, a PTR-91, an Arsenal AK, 100 various mags and 10 cases of ammo but that would not be realistic for me in the 1 year time frame given. Also you do not have to stick with the count down format I did that just make it a bit more fun.

PS: Sorry for the short post it has been a crazy day and I am done. Going to have a couple beers, watch Vegas and go to bed. Will have something good tomorrow, I promise.

Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Relooking Cost AR vs AK #Whatever

Longtime reader Chris gave us a blind flash of the obvious about this ongoing debate over at his blog. One of the benefits of the AK platform has always been price. For the price of an AR you could have two AK's or an AK with some ammo and mags or whatever. Even 5 or 6 years ago AK's cost half to two thirds as much as AR's. Accessories such as mags and ammo were cheaper too.

With the massive explosion of the AR platform in recent years (for goodness sake they sell them at Walmart now) many new folks have gotten into, or expanded their role in, making AR's. This has driven down the cost point of real quality mil spec type fighting guns too which is pretty great.

As Chris pointed out it is pretty hard to touch an AK for under $600 these days. I did some checking and confirmed this to be accurate or close enough. There are some basic but solid AR's at or very near that price point. Some nitwhit AR hater or fanboy might argue that only a $1,600 big name AR is capable of being a decent fighting gun. That nitwhit's AK fanboy buddy could argue with equal effectiveness that only an Arsenal AK customized out of a big name shop is capable. They are both stupid and equally wrong.

I did wonder if accessories for the AK platform were still cheaper.

As to ammo this 7.62x39 Tula FMJ in a spam can is running 24.8 cents a round. You do pay a premium for getting ammo in a spam can (though it is already properly stored which is something to consider). You can get it closer to 20 cents a round if you don't want or need it already packed.

PMC .223 ammo is available for $350/1,000. At first glance this is more expensive than 7.62x39 but we are talking modern manufactured brass cased ammo vs com block steel cased stuff. If we compare apples and apples steel cased .223 can be had for a tiny bit more than 7.62x39. Conversely brass cased 7.62x39 is pretty expensive both because it is relatively rare and it requires more metal than .223.

[Personally I do not shoot steel cased ammo in the AR platform. I shoot steel cased ammo in AK's and Glocks but not other guns. The only hassles I have had with AR feeding were with steel cased ammo. While not in any way scientific the answer to use brass cased ammo was obvious to me. YMMV]

So ammo is really a wash in terms of cost.

As to mags I can answer this somewhat easily looking at recent purchases. I got a bunch of PMAG's from Brownells for $14 a piece. Mil spec type (new) AR type mags are running around twelve and change if you buy in any quantity. The excellent to good condition surplus eastern European milsurp AK mag's I use are running $15 right now. Then again they do pop up cheaper sometimes, I bought some for $11 back in April.

Mag prices are also a wash.

Spare parts are one area where AK's still have the edge. You can get a full AK parts kit (the whole gun minus receiver and barrel) for under $200. I am not willing to look up prices and make estimates but you cannot do that with an AR.

Chris's point that AK supplies are drying up (at least in part due to import regulations on Chinese guns) is valid. AK prices are going up. I would guesstimate AK's and AK stuff is up about 40% over the past 5 or 6 years. AR stuff, except ammo has generally stayed flat or dropped in price.

This is not meant to be a comparison of the two platforms. John Mosby made a very compelling case for the AR which is worth considering. That being said if you have an AK (especially if you bought it at $250-350) and are happy with it then keep on keeping on. My point was to take a look at the cost to purchase, equip and train with an AR and an AK today. It is fair to say that when considering the strengths of either platform (real or mythical) you can pretty much remove cost from the discussion as it is very comparable.

Take care of each other,

Sunday, July 22, 2012

What Did You Do To Prepare This Week?

I have been tightening up my diet. As Wifey noted in the way only a spouse can I tend to gain and lose about 10 pounds 3x a year. Nothing crazy, just trying to use some common sense. As they say if you want to lose weight eat less and move more. On the moving I didn't do so well this week. Some stuff came up and whatever but the bottom line is that I just didn't get it done.

Also we got a new carrier for kiddo which I will talk more about later once we use it some more. Took a walk with Wifey, kiddo and my GHB. I am pretty happy with it but having pouches to hold the water bottles outside the bag to free up interior space would be aweful nice.

On the bright side I did pick up a half case of Wolf 7.62x39 and a few more mags to feed the AK. Thanks to a late birthday present I was able to order an Ontario Rat 3. My plan is for it to be a small field/ camp knife and go onto the war belt I am piecing together.

What did you do to prepare this week?

Saturday, May 21, 2011

Random PDW Thoughts

I have been thinking a lot about an SBR/ PDW type weapon recently. No really great reason, just sorta daydreaming. I've been thinking that it would be way easier to carry around, both tactically and discretely than a normal (even defensive type) rifle. I have almost no use for carbines (defined for this purpose as a long gun that shoots a pistol bullet) but this could be handy. The criteria for me would be a round that can penetrate light armor, a stock, reasonable accuracy, affordability and commonality. Specifically I have been thinking about one of those short barreled AK's. It would fill a nice little niche. Convenient to carry around or put in a bag, ample for defensive purposes and good for CQB.  Taking one of those pistol AK's and putting a folding stock on it would be the easy and affordable route, alas ATF regulations make it much more complicated. I am thinking that when I eventually settle down if you can still, for a modest fee and some hassle build an SBR I might just bite the bullet and do it.
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