Showing posts with label ATF. Show all posts
Showing posts with label ATF. Show all posts

Tuesday, August 20, 2013

Reader Questions: Getting into the AR-15 Game

Hey I am in the market for a rifle chambered in 556 preferrably semi-auto. I have been rocking the an AK variant for several years but would like to increase my range performance and enter a new tier of weapon performance. Ive been scouring armslist in Washington and there seems to be quite a bit of options out there. Would you recommend purchasing new or looking for quality used? Any info or tips will help! I am new to the AR game.
-G

Ryan here. As I see it we can break this down to 2 different questions.
1) Buying new vs used.
2) My thoughts on different types of AR-15's currently on the market. This will be broken down further to general configuration and make/ manufacturer. I will answer them in order.

New Guns- There are pro's and con's to buying guns new. The biggest advantage is that you can get exactly what you want. That is followed by the gun being new with which means there are fewer potential issues and manufacturer support for ones that do pop up. Lastly if you are a person who cares about getting a gun without any scratches, dings, wear marks, etc this is the best option.

The con's of buying new are the ATF form 4473 which some have called defacto registration through record keeping happens. Depending on where you stand with private party firearms that may not be an issue or could be a deal maker. Also you are going to pay retail price and tax.

Used Guns- Of course there are pro's and con's here also. For the sake of simplicity I am going to talk about used gun sales from private party's not via a shop. The biggest pro in my opinion is the lack of paperwork. A private party gun or two might be real handy some day. The second is that is the best place to find deals. This works best for the seller's also. Instead of selling a gun to a shop for $300 which they will immediately put on the shelf for $400 we can split the difference at $340 and both win. 

It is worth noting here that most gun owners do not shoot much so their weapons have very low round counts. They get a gun, test fire it with a couple mags then put it into the closet/ safe. It stays there till they decide on something else or run into money trouble. So you're more likely to face a few scratches and nicks from handling than actual wear on the parts that matter.

The biggest downside of used guns is the difficulty to find what you want. Instead of a local shop having it or ordering it you need to find an individual who owns one that wants to sell it. If you are looking for a Glock 17 or a Remington 870 that's not a big deal but if you want a Wizzbanger 900 X2L3 in Multicam or a limited edition 2 tone Sig .357 with night sights and short run factory grips it can be a big problem. 

The next biggest downside is guns hold their value really well. Part of it is that some folks pay a premium for non papered guns which drives up the marker. I definitely saw this phenomena in Arizona. In any case expect to pay more like 85-95% of the new price for a like new gun while other items tend to be in the 60-75% range. Of course guns do occasionally pop up cheaper when somebody needs cash fast but those cannot be defended on. 

The last downside is that the gun could have issues or be stolen/ linked to a crime. Some people cobble together and clean messed up guns then sell them used to unload the problem onto another person. [Don't be that guy, there is a special place in hell for these scumbags.] Also some guns were stolen previously or whatever. Even if you buy from a good person the guy who had that gun 10 years ago may have made a shady deal or whatever. A guy I know had a pistol taken by the cops because it was stolen a long time ago. Both of these happen rarely but they do happen.

To roll up this question. If you are not patient or want a really specific gun new is probably the way to go. On the other hand if a paperless gun matters to you that is the way to go. Occasionally a person who has cash handy can get some real deals in used guns.

As to different configurations as well as makes/ models of AR-15's. For a general use type rifle I favor a 14.5inch barrel of standard weight on a flat top AR with an adjustable butt stock. I favor chrome lined barrels and everything as mil spec as possible. As to rails I'd only bother with them if you plan to mount enough stuff to justify it. [Honestly in substantive ways I don't see myself varying from this much unless I build a pistol. You could go with a 20" barrel and a fixed stock to make it a SDM type gun but honestly for that role I'd probably get a .308.] 


To manufacturers. I'll break this down in 2 ways. We will talk guns by approximate price range and then I'll talk what of this is based on personal experiences and what is a general consensus of others. Please note that my discussion of manufacturers is not all encompassing. Part of the limitation is that I'm trying to stick as much as possible to stuff I know and part is due to time/ length limitations. Not saying those manufacturers are good or bad but there is only so much time in the day. Please don't get all butt hurt if I do not mention your favorite brand; let's stick to the big picture here.

First we will talk about what I would consider on the more expensive side. Probably closer to "a good job and some spare cash" than "assistant night manager with a young family barely getting by" territory. In this range you get professional grade guns. I hesitate to say an exact price but we are probably talking $1,100ish on the bottom end up to around 2k. The difference will be brand as well as specific features/ variants, obviously a gun with a $250 rail will cost more than an otherwise identical one with $40 hand guards.

Manufacturers in this price range include Colt, Knight Armament, Daniels Defense, LMT and Bravo Company. I have personal experience with Colt's at work and own a Bravo Company rifle that I love. John Mosby is running an LMT. Knight stuff I have anecdotal experiences with at work. DD is just a great company.

These are just great guns that can be used really hard. One can reasonably expect a genuine go to war gun right out of the box. The downside is that nothing is free. To some degree a customer is paying for better design, materials and workmanship which is worthwhile. Also to some degree they are paying for a name as well as the cool guy's they pay for endorsements. If you can afford the tab one of these rifles will suit you well. On the other hand if this sort of rifle is our of your reach do not despair as there are other options.

The second category of rifles I am going to talk about are closer to the "assistant night manager with a young family barely getting by" territory. This isn't ARF so I won't bash folks who can not or simply will not spend a mortgage payment or two on a rifle. The manufacturers in this category include Bushmaster, Olympic Arms, DPMS which I have varying degrees of personal experience with. Depending on exactly where the lines are drawn basic models from Stag Arms and in Smith and Wesson M&P series could fall in here also. While exact prices are fuzzy I'd say $600-900ish is about the right range.

As a general rule these are fine rifles, perfectly suitable for all needs average or even not so average Joe has. Fit and finish are less than the fancy brands but that is OK. To be blunt these companies do produce more lemon's than the professional grade manufacturers. However for every lemon there are a bunch of guns that work just fine. On this one the upside and downside are pretty obvious. You get a gun that is affordable but may potentially have some issues.

Personally I think we should consider option #3 which is to order the parts you want (complete upper, BCG, etc all) and put it onto a lower receiver purchased via private party. This way you circumvent the difficulty of finding specific stuff via private party basically get whatever rifle you want without the 4473 hassle. If this option doesn't appeal to you....

I recommend that you buy a gently used professional grade AR-15 from a private party. 

As always reader input to this discussion is welcome.



Thursday, May 16, 2013

RE: When They Come For Your Guns



I enjoyed this Hoss USMC video. Like most things his perspective is well thought out and logical. Dude just makes sense.

Here are my thoughts on the video:
1) It should have been titled "IF They Come For Your Guns". Personally gun confiscation is pretty low on my list of concerns. Though if I lived in Kalifornia, New York, Chicago, etc I might feel differently. Simply cannot see that happening in most of the US. Anyway moving on.

2) People are more important than things. I can get another gun much easier than I can recover from lethal wounds. This is made much easier conceptually if you have backups, in this case guns with ancillary stuff, stored someplace other than your home. That brings us to Caches.

3) Caches. Like I talked about before you have to consider the context of a cache. In this case I would look at the type of people you might store things with first. Like John Mosby said more or less "Hiding crates of Mosin Nagant's in the basement of the Gun Club's President is not a sound plan". An ideal candidate to cache some stuff with would be either for your cause but very quietly so or relatively neutral about it but very pro you and thus willing to help you out.

In terms of proximity a cache would need to be far enough away from you to be unaffected by the event that concerns you but close enough for you to get to if that event happens. Obviously a cache of guns buried 5 feet from your house or stored with the next door neighbor is a bad plan. On the other hand a gun 2,300 miles away isn't very helpful either. Somewhere between a mile and a hundred miles is probably a good way to go. Of course that is just a rough idea. Obviously a quarter mile from home buried in the state park would be fine. Political boundaries are also a consideration. If you live in California a buddy in Oregon/ Nevada/ Arizona would have some real benefits. Ditto for Cook County, Ill and Pop's Farm in Cornville.

Of course like any other cache appropriate planning and preparation is required.

4) Bait Guns. While I have my doubts about how unwinding all the the NCIS and ATFE 4473 mess for all guns on a national scale but lets just say that happened with some degree of effectiveness. In any case unless they are literally going block by block, door to door searching homes the folks knocking at the door probably know you have some guns. It would probably be a hard sell to convince them you do not have a single firearm. At a minimum that would likely garner unwanted attention. Since you want them to leave, not get deeper into your life, that is bad.

Awhile back Maine Prepper had the excellent point not to try giving them a broken rusty BB Gun and saying it is your only gun. A more realistic option might be a handgun as well as a shotgun / .22/ rifle. The first advantage of this plan would be you have these guns in the home prior to this hypothetical confiscation. A rifle to go hunting, a pistol and shotgun to defend your castle, whatever. If these are basic guns they can be very functional but had purchased at modest costs; particularly if you can buy them when opportunities arise. An old .38 and a Mosin Nagant or pump shotgun could be had for under $500. Aside from the benefit of having more quality guns now you can show them what they expected (which is to find some guns) getting them out of your hair. The second benefit would be that you are meeting their expectations which will get them out your door faster.

As to the rest of your guns? If folks are just doing a door to door search they came and found (or you handed over, whatever) your bait guns then I'd keep my mouth shut. Talking as little as possible around Cops is not a bad idea anyway. On the other hand maybe somehow they unwound all or part of the NCIS/ 4473 mess. At this point they are asking about the Glock 19 SN 12345 I purchased on 9 June 2008 at Shooters in Columbus GA. This rather unlikely scenario is one of the biggest reasons to buy paperless guns.

Well in most of the US private sales are currently legal with no requirements for documentation or going through an FFL. A plausible lie that would be very difficult to disprove might be the order of the day. I sold a bunch of guns a few years back: when I was getting stationed in Germany, was out of work for a few months, needed money when the Mrs got pregnant, had to fund a move from Ohio to Kansas, realized I hadn't hunted in years, swapped it for auto repair on a car that's since been sold etc or something else plausible like it fell out of the boat on a fighting trip, was stolen and you mindlessly forgot to report it, lost it in a poker game or whatever. The point would be to choose something that would be plausible and generally matches with some known facts from your life, yet would be just about impossible to disprove. I like events years in the past that occurred in other areas. Sure if the proverbial federal 'eye of mordor' shifted onto me they could try to track down an older shade tree mechanic from Kansas circa 2009 but in a mass confiscation scenario that would not get run down. I suppose this would be easiest for somebody who hasn't bought a papered gun in years that has also made a big move or two. If you've always lived in the same town and bought an AR-15 last summer it might be a bit harder to be convincing and vague at the same time.

It is also worth noting that you would want to rid the home of ammunition, accessories, etc for guns you are hypothetically claiming are no longer in your possession.  I expect a mag or box of ammo in the back of a closet could be explained away. However huge stacks of ammo cans and dozens of AR-15 magazines  and Glock 17 magazines for the guns you claim to have sold/ whatever would be a hard sell.

So anyway those are my thoughts on that. As always your input is welcome.

Friday, January 11, 2013

Commander Zero on ATFE Form 4473

I listen to Commander Zero in general because he, sort of like Spenser's friend and partner in crime Hawk only talks about things he knows, and since he is in the firearms industry.  Click to read his post.

The current system we have of NCIS checks and ATFE form 4473's has been described (can't remember where) as "de facto registration through record keeping" which I think is fairly accurate. I have also heard that it is fairly handy for figuring out who purchased (via an FFL and thus theoretically owns) the gun found in a puddle of blood at a crime scene. However it is not so easy to work the other way and figure out what guns Bob has purchased. Particularly if he has purchased guns in multiple locations over a long period of time (and this isn't talking private party purchases). Can it be done, yes. However if the ATF is willing to go to that effort you probably did something really bad and are likely hosed anyway.

I suppose theoretically a government agency could put in the time and effort to digitize said 4473's and then come knocking on doors to find them. However even setting 2A and III/ cold dead hands types aside there are so many different problems with the logistics of said idea that it doesn't worry me much.

Private party firearm purchases are certainly something to think about.  Depending on your situation and tastes it might be an easy option or not very practical. If you like relatively common guns like AR's, AK's, (not considering the current situation though these guns are available albeit at a steep price.) Remington or Mossberg pump shotguns, Glocks, wheel guns, Ruger 10/22's and such it should work fine. Especially if you are looking at getting multiples of said guns so you don't need a pistol this month and could buy a shotgun if that is the deal that comes up. Now if you are interested in really specific and uncommon firearms like say a limited edition two tone Sig .40 cal with special grips and factory night sights a PP purchase would be problematic. Depending on how worried you are or are not about our record keeping and potential confiscation this concern could be minimal or weigh heavily on you. Either way having some basic important guns that are 'free range' isn't a bad idea.

 Anyway those are my thoughts on that. What do you think?


Thursday, September 13, 2012

Putting on my Nostradamos Cap

On Economics/ Politics:

Well QE 3 is finally getting launched so we will see a fast meaningful recovery the lost decade will continue.

Unfortunately I do not think our economy is going to get better until we are really honest about our situation and take the steps to get back to an honest and stable place. This requires facing the pain of unraveling all the bad "assets" floating around and the massive empty inventory in the housing market gets unloaded at realistic prices. As this is not happening any time soon the pain will continue.

I saw an interesting article over at James Dakin's place (original Lew Rockwell article here) that basically says we will not have hyperinflation because it is not in the best interest of big banks and their whole crony network. I cannot say that I understand it fully but, not necessarily for any quantifiable reason, I agree that hyperinflation is not likely.

We do need to get onto the same page as to exactly what is considered hyperinflation. Let's pick the definition of hyperinflation as greater than 50% inflation in a month. It is as good as any. I do not see this happening. Yes we have a huge debt but we are too big and powerful with too many huge productive businesses for it to be likely IMO. (Also I think Arctic Patriot noted that huge powerful countries do not go broke, they go to war) I don't intend to argue this point, it is just my take on things.

Now I do think a period of painfully high inflation is quite possible. Maybe somebody gets some sense and cuts off the free money that has been subsidizing big businesses and poor decisions like dollar shot night at the local bar. Maybe our creditors start to get wise and demand an actual return on their money. Maybe the big banksters aim their destructive market powers at US. I don't know.

We could see 10-13% inflation which would probably leave the fed rate around 16%, prime mortgages around 20% and consumer debt in the area of 30%. This would drag down our economy like a guy trying to swim with an anvil tied to his waist. Several consecutive years of this would essentially destroy those on fixed incomes. Folks holding adjustable rate debt's would probably face default or ruin.

We may see rioting and disorder as welfare/ food aid/ etc that are chained to the ever more manipulated to give a happy story CPI get left behind. [Briefly touching on Matthew Bracken's When the Music Stops I do not see our government failing to send out welfare/ food stamps (now on cards)/ etc. I respect Matthew Bracken immensely but IMO this article misses the simple point that our government via it's cronies the Federal Reserve has a darn license to print money. It is like saying that Jack Daniels will run out of Whiskey or Tula will run out of .45 caliber bullets.

Seniors and moochers will get what they are "entitled" down to the exact penny. However that doesn't mean it will be worth the same as it is today. Somebody on food stamps or whatever will get the same dollars worth of hand out's but if a pound of rice costs $5 and a Digorno frozen pizza costs $10 it won't go very far. Not quite as sudden or whatever as envisioned in the scenario. It would more likely cause a slow upswing in problems than a sudden burst of angst. That is of course unless some sort of response was coordinated to meet a specific purpose in support of some agenda.]

I see this arguably intentionally orchestrated series of events potentially diminishing our status on the world stage with a wimper, not a bang. Think of the way Britain's role and power have changed from WWI to now. They went from being the biggest and arguably most powerful nation in the world to being publicly dissed by Argentina stealing their island (yeah they later took it back, barely).

On War:

The madness between Israel and Iran is out of control. All I hear in the media is war drum's. At this point I really would not mind if they get it over with and fight, at least that way it would get done and we could have  the news back. Except of course it would cause a lot of problems, likely embroil us in a nasty conflict, maybe cause nuclear war, blah, blah, blah.

On Gun Control:

I do not see a reinstatement of the Assault Weapons Ban or whatnot. The balance of public opinion is clearly against it. Unless the Dem's sweep the house and senate plus keep the presidency which is probably not likely I am not concerned. Even then I am not so sure for heavens sake Walmart sells AR-15's.

That being said ATF fiat and possibly executive orders might pop up with some fun new stuff. The play of the ATF arbitrarily usurping more of our rights changing some regulations which FFL's (and individuals) will then follow or face their lives being ruined and livelihoods destroyed is already in the playbook. Remember that your shotgun is a shotgun unless it is suddenly a pistol or maybe an evil assault weapon.

On Crime and Disorder:

In general I think crime is getting worse with the signs showing the trend is likely to continue. Maybe it is the economy. With everybody (well a lot of folks anyway) taking a step down the proverbial economic ladder some folks look to crime as the easy way out. Some of it is cultural/ environmental but that doesn't really matter. For reasons I am not entirely clear on criminals seem to be getting more and more violent. Home invasions seem to be becoming more and more prominent.

As discussed above there is a potential scenario (amongst others) where things could just go nuts like LA Riots times 1,000 all over the place.

Anyway that is what I think may be coming. Now to what we might be able to do about it:

Economics:

Some folks argue that having a lot of debt is fine because hyperinflation or at least inflation will let them pay it back in cheaper (or basically free) dollars. The first issue with that plan is that if you haven't figured it out yet banks are going to get taken care of at the expense of common folks, not the other way around. The second issue is that you it will be hard to pay back cheaper dollars if you lose your income/ job because the economy tanks.

If you listen to nothing else that I say get out of any debts that have an adjustable interest rate. The only exception would be if you have the cash to pay the debt off immediately (like in the next payment) but choose to keep it at a low adjustable rate so you can stay a bit more liquid. Rates are very low right now with almost a guarantee that they will go up. As we saw with various European countries a bad auction or two can jack up rates in a hurry.

The basics still apply here. Minimize debt and live below your means. Save in various forms against an uncertain future.

Gun Control:

In this quadrennial 'OMG the evil gun haters might ban everything' period I have spent a bit of money but that was just bumping up some purchases I planned to make anyway by a bit. Sort of hedging my bets if you will. That being said I have been getting squared away in this area for awhile and while things aren't perfect (are they ever?) most of our bases are covered. If you do not own something, especially if it is likely to be targeted in a ban, that you want and can afford then consider getting it.

Crime and Disorder:

Things are getting more and more dangerous. Carry a weapon if it is legal and practical for your lifestyle. Get the training to know what you are doing. Make yourself a hard target. If you live someplace that is sucky and dangerous with a high percentage of unhappy urban folks and welfare types consider moving if you can figure out how to afford it.

Note that most of the things I have recommended are the same things I have been talking about for awhile. Preparing for every situation is not the same. You do not need a dozen assault rifles to survive an economic collapse. Having half your net worth in PM's will not be ideal if things go all mad max. That being said a whole lot of the commonalities are the same. Live below your means saving (in various forms) for emergencies and the future. Store food, fuel and other various things you will need. Have the skills and weapons to protect yourself and your stuff.

Anyway that is what I have been thinking about. Thoughts or input are of course welcome. 








Sunday, January 2, 2011

Pic Post- Cleaning Out My Desktop




 I saved my favorite for last. These guys have appeared a couple times here and are ever present in some forums.

Friday, March 26, 2010

Want To Own A Town?

Washington town up for sale on Ebay. You could be the chief of police and have all your friends be deputies. LEO privileges as well as Class III and NFA weapons without all the strings would be fun.

Wednesday, January 27, 2010

Quote of the Day and Discussion

"Always Think Forfeture"
-The ATF

I do not have an issue with forfeiture as a broad concept. Money and possessions acquired as the fruit of criminal enterprises by convicted criminals should be put to the general good. I do have a real issue with agencies being able to keep the money they seize. Agencies profiting (or whatever you want to call it) from seizing money and goods creates an inherent self interest that is very definitely a bad thing.

Also I have a real issue with assets being seized when a conviction for a serious crime is not present. Lots of time people who are guilty as sin are not convicted for whatever reason, however in our system that means they are INNOCENT. We hear a story now and then about a guy who just deals in cash having a big wad taken from him and not being able to get it back. Admittedly those stories come from a fairly specific audience with views against this sort of thing. I am sure for every truly innocent guy whose money gets stolen there are a dozen crack dealers but that is not the point.

It seems like the well intentioned idea of asset forfeiture has been corrupted by a combination of bad laws and the self interest of various agencies who can seize funds.

Tuesday, July 28, 2009

Nobody Even Knows

Hermit wrote a great post the other day. I wasn't quite sure what I thought about it for a couple days. Still not sure. The thing that concerns me is that no single person truly understands our federal code in its entirety. I've heard it said that if put together it would look about like a nice hefty set of encyclopedias. No human being can understand that let alone be able to accurately quote it.

I think our law (at all levels) should be simple enough that a normal non mouth breathing person can understand them. Maybe business law, import export and some other stuff might be difficult to streamline but there is no reason our criminal code should be so darn complicated.

Of course ignorance of the law should not be an excuse because we all know some asshole in a trailer somewhere genuinely believes it is fine to drive his El Camino 90 miles an hour while drinking a tall boy and beating his wife. Then again things are just way too complicated right now. Expecting people to live under a set of laws they do not understand is not realistic.

We are probably all criminals right now.

Tuesday, July 21, 2009

This Could Get Very Interesting

The wonderful folks at the ATF were nice enough to write letters to people in Montana and Tennessee. I am sure the residents of these states will appreciate their consideration.

Thursday, July 2, 2009

Shipping Guns Home

So I am going to move far far and away in the near future. The firearms I have here are going to go back home. Without giving very specific info on either end (if you read a lot you probably know both ends:) it would be hard to be in the continental US and be farther from home than I am now. In any case I need to ship some guns home. To be specific I have 1 rifle, 2 shotguns and 4 pistols to send home. I have heard it is legal to just ship a firearm to yourself but am not so sure about that. To make it clear I am not transferring any firearms just getting them back home.

Also I have a decent amount of ammo (2 cases of pistol ammo, several hundred rounds of shotgun ammo and 800rds of '06 ammo) to get home.

Any advice on the cheapest and simplest way to legally do either would be greatly appreciated. I am not concerned with getting anything home fast parse as long as it gets there eventually. It is just going to join the arsenal in the bunker.

If nothing else it is comforting to know that Ma has a fucking arsenal and enough ammo to fight a small war at her immediate disposal. Also if Pa needs it he can cruise over there and as he put it "Pick up a rifle with banana clips" that can easily be accommodated as there are plenty of guns and they get along well. On a side note I am going to leave a Glock 9mm and a pistol grip pump shotgun with Pa (also he lives between a retired Marine and a retired Cop:). If it seems that more then that are needed he can drive to Ma's and pick up an AR. We went to the range and he shot one not too long ago. If nothing else he is a smart enough guy to load and shoot the darn thing. Where they live nothing like that is going to happen all of a sudden so he will have a bit of time to react to things.

Don't really have anything more to say.

Saturday, April 18, 2009

Words To Avoid

This was inspired by a loose dialog involving myself, Hermit and the man formerly known as Kaiservontexan. I think there are some words it is just better to avoid. Maybe I am not standing up for my rights (a well regulated militia...) or anything like that but looking at it pragmatically life is too short for such drama.

I suggest that the word militia should be mothballed. You do not want to get anywhere near a militia. Short of swigging on a fifth of whiskey while driving back and forth in front of the police station I can't see a quicker way to complicate your life. At least the DUI and assorted other tickets are a pretty easy albeit expensive fix. As Hermit said "there's an old joke that when a militia meets, of the ten people in the room, three are undercover FBI, two are undercover BATF, three more are paid informants,one is the organizer and one is some guy who wandered in looking for directions".

Let me choose my words very carefully. I can think of at least one person in particular who would probably be living peacefully in a cabin on a mountain if he had shown some good sense and stayed away from these sorts of organizations. They will bring you nothing but trouble. Also conspiracy is a pretty open ended word which I seek to stay far away from. I am not sure exactly where the line between a hypothetical conversation between "friends" over beer #7 stops and conspiracy starts but I don't want to find out.

Don't join, form, or discuss a militia. Maybe you have some shooting friends or whatever and that is great. Maybe you all have the mutual interests of firearms, tactical training and libertarianism but just leave it at that. If you and a few close friends think it might be a good idea to get together in a time of crisis that is wonderful but leave it at that.

The other word is compound. I think if you have a compound the ATF immediately starts a siege. You don't need a compound (though a rural home with a walled inner courtyard might be nice) and you really don't need to talk about a compound with anyone, especially people from that militia I told you not to hang around.

Maybe it is stupid that some words and associations will complicate your life when they shouldn't. I try not to look at how (pretty much all) things should be but instead at how they are. If calling an orange an orange gets you punched in the face but calling it an apple means you get to walk home and eat the orange just laugh it off as one of the worlds little eccentricities.

Wednesday, February 18, 2009

Gun Law List by Steve

http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm

TOR says: This looks like a great foundation for understanding federal gun laws. If something isn't completely clear cut it is probably worth contacting the ATF (gasp, did that just come out of my mouth?) to be sure. I know things can get awful confusing; especially when it comes to imported weapons and required amounts of US made parts.

As always YMMV when it comes to the accuracy of this book. The author of the book will not go to federal (pound you in the ass) prison if he is mistaken, you will. Two points to whoever gets the movie reference.
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