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Sunday, November 23, 2014

New Years Resolution 2014 Review

Figured it is as good of a time as any to review my 2014 New Years Resolutions which I really use yearly more as annual goals than anything else. Completed resolutions will be lined through and notes will be in italics. Note I am piggy backing off the last review done in May and July.

Note: The stuff in light grey are long shots. By long shots I mean they are not realistically funded based on projected levels of spending. Admittedly this is pretty unscientific since I do not have an exact projected preps budget that is divided amongst different areas. It's probably more of a gut feeling based on the last few years of what I will realistically be able to do than anything else.

Shoot

Skills:
Attend a quality defensive pistol course. Work messed up a scheduled CSAT course. Undetermined on when/ where I plan to reengage this goal.
Try to attend an Appleseed if I can.
Following said defensive pistol course begin a dry fire regimen.
Shoot more often. Ideally at least monthly but certainly not more than bi monthly. Doing better.

Stuff:
Finish the 870 P project. Refinish, light, sling, ammo cards, ammo holding system to match.
 Get a .30 cal precision rifle almost surely a .308. 
 I have been semi casually looking for a single shot 12 gauge shotgun to go all Dave Canterbury. If I find one I will buy it.
Set up the big wheel gun the way I want it. Grips, holster, belt, speed loaders, etc all
Put nice grips on the 642 like Alexander Wolfe's.
 Maybe start on an AR pistol

Consumables and minor stuff:
250 rounds buckshot
250 rounds #4 shot
250 slugs
Get a quality kydex outside waistband Glock holster with mag pouches to match
4 Ruger 10/22 BXP mags
A case of 5.56 ammo
A stripped AR-15 lower receiver
Long shot a case of 9mm FMJ  purchased the 9mm ammo for a class and am keeping it set aside for such unless things get all wonky then it would of course be useful and a second case of 5.56 ammo
10 each PMAGs
 6x Glock 17 mags
I can always use another 10/22 or a Glock 19 but those are big time long shots.

Move
Fitness:
Run more, keeping better track of it. Maybe do a marathon or something. Been running and rucking more since the weather is cooling down.
Keep up a decent weight lifting regimen with hard circuit based body weight type stuff. I'm back at this with a vengeance. Setting a lot of near term (vs back in the day) maxes and some all time ones. Getting my swole on.
 Generally keep on doing good things

Stuff:
Break in all extra boots that are currently accessible.
Not sure exactly where this fits but I want to firm up our heavy (vehicle) bug out packing list then have that stuff ready to go. Also continue developing all of our systems. This has been working. I won't say it is 100% but things are definitely better organized and more together than before.
Purchase a small enclosed trailer.  This isn't going anywhere and is likely being pushed a couple years down the road.

Communicate:
Skills: Get a ham radio license. Kinda bumping this to the winter when other stuff is not happening.
Get better with HTLM and web coding stuff (any advice would be great)

Stuff:
Get a ham radio, probably one of the little Baeofeng (spelling) setups to start.
 Get a set of 2 (4 would be better) good FRS radios with head sets. I have a pair in storage that might work but I've got to test them.
Get a scanner 

Sustain:
Keep building our food supply to the interim goal of having a year's worth for 4 people. We've put back a lot of food this year.
Get chickens. The golden girls are giving us 3-4 eggs a day. Enough to totally meet our egg needs. Right now I'm alone so I am swamped in eggs.
Start growing some herbs n stuff. Maybe sprouts too. Gardening has not been successful but I tried and learned some stuff.

Survive:
Continue to improve our cache situation. Set up the Operational Cache. Did some other things. This is ongoing but we are better off now then at the beginning of the year.
Work to develop primitive skills. Nothing has really happened on this.
Pick up another full tang medium sized survival/ general purpose knife or maybe two plus stuff to round out some of the redundant parts of my various kits. Picked up a Benchmade Bushcrafter. Looking to add a slightly larger knife to the inventory this summer. Ordered a British MOD survival  knife.  
Get 3-4 more wool blankets. It is hard to recall exactly when I bought minor item like blankets. I am up one or two since them.

Alternative Energy:
Skills: Use the stuff we have more to figure out how to make it work for our needs. This includes a good plan for charging Wifey's smart phone on the go.

Stuff : Wifey mentioned wanting to get a generator before hurricane season. We are far enough North in Louisiana so as to avoid utter destruction but can definitely lose power. A buddy up here lost power for a week during Rita. This worried Wifey. So we might just get a generator. Probably an EU 2000 like Zero has.

Stashing a half dozen or so military gas cans would be nice. Enough gas to completely fill up both our vehicles twice and run a genny enough to keep the freezer cold, charge batteries and watch a bit of news for at least 2 weeks (a month would be better) would be great. Got to do some math on that one.

Discussion:
The year was weird in terms of scheduling and plans due to some work stuff. That really threw a wrench in a lot of different plans. Anyway the year is not done but with just over a month left, spanning the busy Christmas/ holiday season, a whole lot more is not likely to get done.

An AR pistol didn't happen because I prioritized other guns that had more valid uses in a  CCW handgun and a 'precision rifle'. I really want an S&W Shield. Note I purchased a Kahr CW9 which fills this niche. 

Food is a continual process for all but the most well established survivalists.

I put some money into commo with the Baofengs. This is honestly long overdue. 

Looked at getting a scanner but the Police/ etc freq's in Louisiana are on LWIN which is a digital trunking system. I do not understand thee technical side but it means normal $80-150ish models would not pick up what I want to listen to. A digital trunking scanner is required. The most affordable and simplest one (also recommended by Spark 31) is the Uniden Public Safety Receiver (HOMEPATROL) but they cost just under $400. That will roll to next years goals.

Need to work on a more cohesive overall fitness plan. I know what to do (and if I didn't John Mosby wrote a good article on it at FO) and just have to do it. Most of the right things (running, body weight, lifting, some rucking) are happening now but not necessarily in a thought out way.

Need to make a final push to get some small game shotgun ammo like #4 shot and just maybe some buckshot. Overall we have a decent amount of shotgun ammo but am way below my desired ratios. One of the things I am working on this year is to get some of the goals that have been rotating from one years list to the next.

How are you doing on your years goals?

Thursday, July 3, 2014

New Years Resolution Review

Figured it is as good of a time as any to review my 2014 New Years Resolutions which I really use yearly more as annual goals than anything else. Completed resolutions will be lined through and notes will be in italics. Note I am piggy backing off the last review done in May.

Note: The stuff in light grey are long shots. By long shots I mean they are not realistically funded based on projected levels of spending. Admittedly this is pretty unscientific since I do not have an exact projected preps budget that is divided amongst different areas. It's probably more of a gut feeling based on the last few years of what I will realistically be able to do than anything else.

Shoot

Skills:
Attend a quality defensive pistol course. Work messed up a scheduled CSAT course. Undetermined on when/ where I plan to reengage this goal.
Try to attend an Appleseed if I can. Scheduled. Decent odds it will happen.
Following said defensive pistol course begin a dry fire regimen.
Shoot more often. Ideally at least monthly but certainly not more than bi monthly. Doing better.

Stuff:
Finish the 870 P project. Refinish, light, sling, ammo cards, ammo holding system to match. Get a .30 cal precision rifle almost surely a .308. 
 I have been semi casually looking for a single shot 12 gauge shotgun to go all Dave Canterbury. If I find one I will buy it.
Set up the big wheel gun the way I want it. Grips, holster, belt, speed loaders, etc all
Put nice grips on the 642 like Alexander Wolfe's.
 Maybe start on an AR pistol

Consumables and minor stuff:
250 rounds buckshot
250 rounds #4 shot
250 slugs
Get a quality kydex outside waistband Glock holster with mag pouches to match
4 Ruger 10/22 BXP mags
A case of 5.56 ammo
A stripped AR-15 lower receiver
Long shot a case of 9mm FMJ  purchased the 9mm ammo for a class and am keeping it set aside for such unless things get all wonky then it would of course be usefull and a second case of 5.56 ammo
10 each PMAGs
 6x Glock 17 mags
I can always use another 10/22 or a Glock 19 but those are big time long shots.

Move
Fitness:
Run more, keeping better track of it. Maybe do a marathon or something. Eh not much has happened on this one.
Keep up a decent weight lifting regimen with hard circuit based body weight type stuff. I'm back at this with a vengeance. Setting a lot of near term (vs back in the day) maxes and some all time ones. Getting my swole on.
 Generally keep on doing good things

Stuff:
Break in all extra boots that are currently accessible. Working on it. Going to need to start wearing a pair of old school black leather boots in my off work time.
Not sure exactly where this fits but I want to firm up our heavy (vehicle) bug out packing list then have that stuff ready to go. Also continue developing all of our systems.
Purchase a small enclosed trailer. 

Communicate:
Skills: Get a ham radio license. Kinda bumping this to the winter when other stuff is not happening.
Get better with HTLM and web coding stuff (any advice would be great)

Stuff:
Get a ham radio, probably one of the little Baeofong (spelling) setups to start.
Get a set of 2 (4 would be better) good FRS radios with head sets. I have a pair in storage that might work but I've got to test them.
Get a scanner 

Sustain:
Keep building our food supply to the interim goal of having a year's worth for 4 people. Put back a lot of food since we have been here.
Get chickens. The golden girls are giving us 3-4 eggs a day. Enough to totally meet our egg needs. Right now I'm alone so I am swamped in eggs.
Start growing some herbs n stuff. Maybe sprouts too. Got a decent little garden going.

Survive:
Continue to improve our cache situation. Set up the Operational Cache. Looking at some other ideas.
Work to develop primitive skills. Nothing has really happened on this.
Pick up another full tang medium sized survival/ general purpose knife or maybe two plus stuff to round out some of the redundant parts of my various kits. Picked up a Benchmade Bushcrafter. Looking to add a slightly larger knife to the inventory this summer.
Get 3-4 more wool blankets. It is hard to recall exactly when I bought minor item like blankets. I am up one or two since them.

Alternative Energy:
Skills: Use the stuff we have more to figure out how to make it work for our needs. Working this one. This includes a good plan for charging Wifey's smart phone on the go.

Stuff : Wifey mentioned wanting to get a generator before hurricane season. We are far enough North in Louisiana so as to avoid utter destruction but can definitely lose power. A buddy up here lost power for a week during Rita. This worried Wifey. So we might just get a generator. Probably an EU 2000 like Zero has.

Stashing a half dozen or so military gas cans would be nice. Enough gas to completely fill up both our vehicles twice and run a genny enough to keep the freezer cold, charge batteries and watch a bit of news for at least 2 weeks (a month would be better) would be great. Got to do some math on that one.


Discussion:
Many of my major goals have been met. I don't see an AR pistol happening though I will pick up a lower or two. Mostly this is  because I really want an S&W Shield. Also I  need a few hundred rounds of JIC .308 ammo as well as some match grade stuff and a reloading setup to turn used brass into my own home brewed precision .308 ammo.

Of course I'll keep stashing food away. 

Also I need to put about $300 into communications gear. This is honestly long overdue. I'll likely get a scanner first then a couple affordable radios after doing some studying and getting the license. 

Need to work on running more. 

Overall we are slightly over halfway through the year and I am doing good at knocking stuff off the list. 

How are you doing on your years goals?

Tuesday, April 2, 2013

Busy Day and Gun Selling

Had a long day at work today. On the plus side I ended up getting the 200 rounds of 9mm (Win white box) needed for upcoming training @ 30 cents a round. After that ended up selling my 30'06. That puts me out of the caliber. Think it's just temporary. Will probably own another one, albeit in a different configuration, sooner or later. Time will tell.

Well anyway I've been slacking a little bit lately. Put some much needed admin energy to the blog. Efforts at work have been draining me mentally. Will put out something good for tomorrow.

Sunday, February 10, 2013

Readily Available Guns



An interesting video from the good folks at Moss Pawn and Gun on readily available guns in the current firearmagedon situation. My .02 are that Glock prices have gone up significantly. Used Gen III guns seem to be going for around 6 bills in Southern Arizona and they aren't being advertised long. Finding a 17 is easier than a 19 though. I think revolvers are worth thinking about if you cannot pay the current double stack semi auto (and especially Glock 9's for whatever reason) premiums as they have been essentially unaffected by this mess.

For whatever it is worth things seem to slowly be getting better as the freedom ban folks seem to be stalled out. Maybe it's just that the folks who wanted an AR/ AK and could pay loony tunes prices have already bought. AK's and AR's are available and slowly but surely prices might be trending slowly down. Unless you are desperate it might be wise to wait this out.

Anyway there is the video to give some advice to folks really trying to get set up today without paying stupid prices.

Tuesday, April 27, 2010

Why Centerfire Rifles?

I got a comment about this topic which I approved and then could not find. Unfortunately I can't copy and past comments on the moderation page. The guy basically asked why people bother with center fire rifles at all. He mentioned them being impractical to hunt all but the biggest game and talked about the utility and benefit of a .22/.410 over under.

TOR replies: First I think it is important to have a center fire rifle because it is part of a basic 4. Different types of guns are tools with unique capabilities and one can often not duplicate the performance of another. This is the smallest set of weapons that will readily meet a large amount of firearms needs. You can easily have a dozen guns and still find a niche for some sort of new pistol or a whizz bang flat shooting rifle. However if you have a decent .22, a shotgun, a defensive caliber pistol and a center fire rifle you can meet most basic needs. There is a .22 for plinking or small game hunting or potting the unpottable chicken. There is a shotgun for shooting stuff with a shotgun. There is a pistol to keep near the bed in case there is a strange knock at the door late at night or to carry on your person while doing chores.

Back to the subject of center fire rifles. First they are useful for hunting large game. As you mentioned (I searched for that comment for like 20 minutes, wish I could have found it) people will not shoot a deer every day after the world ends. However hunting does put a lot of meat on a lot of tables. Also rifles are good for taking out predators, both two legged and four. In particular center fire rifles will defeat soft (the most common) body armor.

The .22/.410 combo is great for hunting pot sized animals such as rabbits, squirrels and birds at close range. For this role they are hard to beat. However they are not particularly capable of harvesting larger game at any range and are a poor choice for any sort of predator.

Thursday, April 22, 2010

quote of the day

"If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition and the will to use it, Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic." - Aaron Zelman, co-founder of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

Saturday, March 6, 2010

Defensive Weapons: PACE, Mags, Ammo and Redundancy

Lately I have been thinking that in terms of defensive weapons I need to get my eggs into multiple baskets. Also if you want to fill a certain amount of baskets you may even need to get some more eggs. To do this I need to up my "happy levels" of magazines and ammunition, possibly even firearms.

For my situation in particular it is unlikely that I will ever live in immediate proximity to my family. While I am working at my current job I will live all over the place and when I eventually settle down it will likely be a full tank of gas away. For flying across the country to a place you visit regularly having some defensive weapons on the ground makes sense if there is a good place to store them. Not that flying with a gun is a huge pain but for regular trips (figure going home at least 2x a year if CONUS) just keeping some there makes sense. At a minimum having a defensive pistol to carry would be good, a pistol and a rifle would be better and ideally a basic 4 (center fire rifle and pistol, shotgun, .22). Of course the applicable magazines, ammunition, etc should be stored also.

I have also been thinking about using PACE when it comes to storing defensive weapons. Obviously the primary need is to have readily accessible defensive weapons for self protection. For me an alternate would be weapons at a place where I go reasonably often. The weapons here would ideally be group standard but if your redundancy does not yet support that anything is better than nothing. This could be a very good role for quality weapons that are not group standard or regularly used. A spare surplus bolt gun and a random revolver or non standard semi auto would do nicely. A good secondary would be the home of a like minded individual or under some insulation in the attic of your "hunting cabin".  To me if things are bad enough that I am going to the emergency option for defensive arms I want them safely cached away somewhere.

Also going along this train of thought I have been thinking about storing ammunition and magazines (or course other ancillary stuff like holsters, slings, cleaning kits would be nice too) in different locations. There is a real balancing act here because a case of ammo stored at a friends 250 miles away won't help you fight off those darn zombies. Then again having more mags and ammo than you carry or keep in the car could be very useful if things go all Night Of The Living Dead while at Grandma's. It might not be practical to keep a spare Glock, 870 and AR-15 in a spare location, let alone 2 or 3 of them but you could certainly stash some mags and ammo. However if you carry a Glock and keep an AR in the vehicle and they are the weapons you would want to use having some spare mags and ammo stored for them makes sense. Storing multiple sets of your chosen weapons might not be feasible but storing mags and ammo is.

As for how much to stash; I think 3 spare pistol mags with 250 rounds of ammo and 6-7 rifle mags with 500 rounds of ammo will cover all but the absolute worst emergencies. Best of all it is realistic on an average budget. Doubling those amounts would be spiffy. I guess the only real limits are space and money. To do this I would need to increase my total amounts of magazines and ammunition which is never a bad thing. Sticking with whatever your happy numbers are now and just buying whatever you want to stash will suffice.

In thinking about this I am reminded of one of the many benefits of standardization. It is not that complicated to fill an ammo can with a few mags and some ammo for a pistol and a rifle. Aside from expense it really doesn't matter if it is a .357mag and a 30-06 or a .45 and an FN-FAL or a Glock 9mm and an AR or whatever. It would be however more difficult, bulky and expensive to keep a few mags and some ammo for each of those weapons in multiple locations. Choosing something, sticking with it and building redundancy is boring but very practical.

Thoughts?

Sunday, February 14, 2010

I Can Haz Urban Legend Demotivator

Hat Tip to Bonifaces Treatise.

Edited to include. Could well be an urban legend. Personally I wasn't tromping around the Philippines with the guy in the very early 20th Century so I don't know. Either way its sort of a fun demotivator so I will keep it up. 

Tuesday, February 9, 2010

Germany's Restrictive Gun Laws Drove Ownership Underground

Having an unusually lazy Tuesday morning. Was hanging out at The War On Guns reading about various Only One calamities when I saw a couple of gem's. First Arizona is looking at Alaska/ Vermont style carry which is cool. Second and more interesting it looks like Germans own almost 3 times as many illegal guns as they own legal ones. Ownership, possession and sale of firearms did not go away, just underground. I imagine there are still a lot of WWII era weapons of all types floating around. Plenty of German WWII veterans probably took home a K98 or a Walther or maybe even something really cool  like an MP-40. As firearm laws in neighboring countries and border security have ebbed and flowed I imagine some more guns have trickled in. Switzerland has a vibrant gun culture and I imagine a gun or two has immigrated to Germany from there.

In particular since the fall of the wall, reunification of Germany and collapse of the USSR I imagine unregistered guns have become more common and easy to acquire. I have heard that it is easy to purchase an AK-47 in the Czech Republic. Any time an item is cheaper or available in a neighboring area and a porous or open border is present said item will come through regardless of the legality. The same way booze and cheap smokes will flow across county or state lines guns will also.  

Sunday, January 17, 2010

This Is Why I Believe In High Capacity Semi Automatic Rifles


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I think everyone who watches the news has seen all or part of this clip or the picture of those three fellows holding machetes. This is why I am a big fan of guns. One isn't going to deter or stop multiple machete or club wielding goblins [not saying those guys in the video necessarily are, maybe they are perfectly nice and just happen to be carrying all their belongings which includes machetes that they do not have sheaths for and will not fit in their backpacks] without a gun. One guy you might be able to take and maybe you could bluff two guys into choosing an easier target but 3+ and unless you are Beatrix Kiddo you're toast.



Specifically I favor high capacity semi automatic rifles. They are not the cheapest answer but for multiple goblins I believe they are the best answer. 

I like shotguns for very close range (you could debate the actual distance but 30 yards or so is realistic) and specifically home defense. Pistols are just about useless except for concealable defensive purposes. For serious bad situation defense (LA Riots, Katrina, pretty much every other day in Haiti) I would want a rifle.

Surplus bolt guns are pretty useful in the right hands as noted in this article. However I can not help but question the wisdom of working very hard to make a tool serve a purpose it is not ideally suited for. Practicing reloading and cycling a bolt gun for a very long time will not get the speed of target engagement of a Mini 14/ AR/AK/HK91/FN-FAL/ M1A with half the practice, let alone the same amount of it. These more modern firearms are just capable of engaging multiple targets far faster. They also reload a lot faster and hold at least twice as many rounds as the old bolt guns.


Of course an Enfield or a Mosin with a bayonet is pretty fearsome in the right hands. I would take a surplus bolt gun with a bayonet and an empty chamber against a guy with a machete any day, a point beats an edge. However I would really rather have an AR or an AK and just riddle them with bullets. As noted by the Doughboy's it is safer, easier, more effective and just plain smarter to shoot people then to try and stab them to death. Those guys did anything to get their hands on a gun that could rapidly engage targets.

There are reasons one might go with a bolt gun. They are by far the most economical rifles out there so for people on long term low budgets they have a real appeal. While it might fail the common caliber test (close but not quite IMO) 7.62x54R ammo is currently quite reasonably priced which helps one equip those rifles on a lower budget. Ones in good condition can be quite reliable and rugged. Also these rifles have a certain mystique which appeals to folks of certain viewpoints. Having a budget rifle that you can hunt big game with is practical.

 A big bayonet and knowing how to use it effectively (prior military training or get a book and practice with a buddy) is a good start. Having a bayonet and a pistol is probably a better approach. In the past I made some sacrifices to acquire a semi automatic rifle well suited to the role of two legged varmint because I believe it is the best tool for that role. You may or may not choose to do the same but if you don't get a bayonet and a pistol. Practice using the bayonet and also shifting from the rifle to the pistol.

Worst case if you can't afford a pistol get a machete as a last ditch backup.

As a final thought bolt guns are great because you can affordable keep a few extra around to arm your friends.

I think this post might win the award for most labels and pics in a normal post to date.

Thoughts?

Saturday, January 9, 2010

Enfields, Still Killing People

I am having a pretty quiet morning of a bit of coffee and some news. Just saw a piece about some problems in Sudan. On a tangent is there anybody left alive in Darfor? Or did that humanitarian disaster get resolved by everyone dying. I try to keep up with the news and such but Africa is always in such a state of turmoil that it is difficult to do so with any accuracy. Anyway while they were giving the spiel about this group not being happy with the peace and getting ready to fight that group or whatever they showed some footage of some sort of military or paramilitary group. They were at least semi organized because they had uniforms, some level of drill and ceremonies and an obvious leader. Also they were all armed with the same weapon. The good old Enfield bolt action rifle.I can't say which side is which and they are both probably bad but it is interesting that Enfields are still killing people.

Just thought it was interesting. I would like to own an Enfield some day. Who knows what will happen though. Some of my most favorite guns are ones I would never have though of purchasing and I still don't have a few I would conceptually like.

Monday, December 21, 2009

Machetes and Mosins


I know I have seen this before and may have even posted it. In any case I felt like putting it up. It is funny and also pretty directly addresses the biggest benefit of these guns.

Sunday, November 8, 2009

First Gun and the Pistol and Rifle Idea.

FerFal wrote a post on first guns. To be honest I sort of hate this kind of hypothetical stuff but somehow keep coming back to it. Everybody should get at least a good centerfire pistol, a pump shotgun, a centerfire rifle and some sort of .22. I suggest a Glock, a Remington 870, an AR and a Ruger 10/22. Having bought them I am fully aware these are not cheap guns. Matter of factly I believe almost all people (its tough if you are truly disabled and on a small pension, etc) would be well advised to get quality modern firearms like the ones I named above. Scrimping, saving and working extra hours to get good guns sucks (I once worked full time over Christmas Break to get an AR) but you will not regret it in the long run. Guns aren't the place to scrimp and try to save a few bucks.  Commander Zero wrote a great post on this awhile back.

To not get too focused on debating this gun vs that gun really the possible combination are almost endless and provided you stick to common caliber (.38/.357mag, 9mm, .45acp for pistols and .223, 7.62x39, 30-30, .308, 30-06 for rifles of course 20 and 12 gauge for shotguns) firearms in common model/manufacturers (S&W, Ruger, H&K, Glock, Sig, Colt, Browning, Winchester, Mossberg, Remington, Marlin, AR, Mini-14, AK, FN-FAL, HK-91, M1A, etc all) you will probably do fine.

You need a centerfire pistol for carry and generally being discretely armed. Shotguns are probably the king of home defense and generally a great utilitarian gun to have (we will talk more about them later). Rifles are useful for hunting, plinking, and really the only decent option to shoot just about anything past about 100 meters. I think everyone should also have a .22 (I would suggest it be a rifle) because they are so darn useful and dirt cheap to shoot. These 4 guns will not deal with every possible situation in hunting, plinking and potential defense. The rifle you want if things to truly to hell is almost invariably a magazine fed semi automatic and not the one you would want to hunt Moose with and it might be convenient to get a subcompact carry pistol for EDC. I suggest these 4 basic guns because they will be good for most situations in defense, plinking and sport and are the foundation of any good home firearms battery.

However what would be best for people to get while they are on their way to this basic 4 is part of the question at hand.

I used to say a shotgun but FerFal's wisdom changed my mind. Some folks say a rifle but I think they are more wrong than the shotgun crowd. The thinking behind a pistol is that it is the only weapon you can have with you all the time without being arrested or causing a scene. Also you can answer the door or investigate that strange sound outside armed without giving Granny Smith your neighbor a heat attack. A shotgun is probably better strictly for home defense and a rifle might be better for a genuine TEOTWAWKI but both fail to take into account far more realistic and probable situations.


Shotguns for home defense also came up in the post which inspired this one. I am not saying that a pump shotgun is a talisman. No matter what any add says or infers no gun is going to turn you into a Grizzled Master Sergeant from CAG, sorry. I honestly believe the best all around gun for home defense is a short barreled  pump shotgun. Mossberg and Remington are the best options since Winchester kicked the bucket. Some have noted that shotguns hold a relatively small amount of ammunition @5-9 shells and used that for a reason either pistols or rifles are better for home defense. I would mention that the average gunfight is a couple rounds at spitting distance but well we plan for the worst not the best or average. Shotguns are better for home defense than pistols for many reasons. First without getting really far into the weeds on ballistics and round selection I don't think anyone has ever seriously questioned the man stopping power of 12 (or for that matter 20) gauge shotguns loaded with buckshot. Someone who takes a load of buckshot to the torso is probably going to be out of action very quickly or at lest as quickly as any other weapon we are discussing.

The other fact which I think mitigates the relatively low capacity of shotguns is that most people shoot them far better than pistols. No matter what anyone says you have to aim shotguns to hit anything. The reason I say people shoot them better is that the combination of being on your shoulder and a good cheek to stock makes shooting much more intuitive and easy. Take a bunch of folks to the range and have them shoot at a variety of targets at defensive ranges with a pistol and a shotgun, bet almost all of them will do better with a shotgun.

This has turned into a really long  post and I am just getting to the actual new unique thought. The just get a pistol and a rifle idea (or getting them first in priority) has popped up here and there from time to time. To be honest I can only see two situations where it makes sense. The first is if you want/ need a rifle and space is really limited (living on a boat, etc). The second is if you had a rifle already, bought a pistol and are waiting till you have the cash for a shotgun. Lastly maybe for whatever reason you just really don't want to have a shotgun, can't see why you wouldn't want a dozen of them but different strokes for different folks.

The reason most people don't just decide they need some guns and go to the store to pick up a Glock, a Remington 870, an AR, and a Ruger 10/22 is that they cannot afford to do so. Guns, particularly modern quality guns are expensive. Really the only reason this comes up at all is that it takes lots of folks some time to save and scrimp together enough cash to get a nice basic firearms battery.

The reason I believe a rifle as a second gun (after a pistol) is a bad course of action is not so much about the individual attributes of shotguns vs rifles but is all about economics. You can buy good used Mossberg or (to a slightly lesser degree) Remington pump shotguns for less than $175 all day long until you run out of cash or get bored. These days you can't touch an AK for much less than $450ish and once you get 20 mags at about $9  a piece the cost goes up considerably. An AR which wasn't made in somebodies basement is going to cost at least $700 or more depending on how name centric you are. Mags cost about $12 for Mil Spec and a bit more for MagPul. I don't even want to talk about how much good semi auto .308's cost, the M1A I want and will some day get is going to cost about a pound of flesh.

For a shotgun all the accessories you need are a sling, a buttstock shotshell carrier. Plus of course ammo. You can get a good shotgun with its needed accessories for less than you will spend on rifle mags alone! Shotguns are far cheaper than quality defensive rifles and thus you can have a long gun and a pistol far sooner by going the shotgun route. This way you will be as well armed as possible while saving up enough coin to get a rifle.

Here is where someone is going to mention surplus bolt guns. I covered my opinions above but lets reiterate as it applies to the long gun for defense. Yes some older style and WWI-II surplus rifles can be purchased for much less than modern quality rifles such AK's and AR's or various .308's but they are almost universally a horrible choice for defense particularly inside the home or in close quarters. They are big and heavy/ cumbersome, slow to reload and a potentially deadly choice given the potential for multiple adversaries in close quarters. For someone married to the idea of a close quarters defensive rifle without the desire to get something semi automatic (and probably mag fed) I would suggest a lever action 30-30 as they are relatively cheap, compact, fast to reload and generally the best of the undesirable options in this range.

In conclusion I think it is smart to buy a defensive pistol, pump shotgun, centerfire rifle and a .22. I believe quality modern guns are worth the money and that most people should make the choices necessary to get them. For those who have no guns buying a defensive pistol first and a pump shotgun second is IMO the best course of action with a centerfire rifle and a .22 to follow at a later date when funds allow.

Thoughts?

Thursday, September 10, 2009

Slow Down, Take a Deep Breath and a Long View

I have been thinking lately about what I need to get to square away spare parts (for critical first line stuff at least) and accessories such as mags, mag pouches, duty belts, holsters for everything. I do have some money sitting around right now which will go a long way toward this stuff but dang, it is expensive. And that is not even considering the 6 cases (2x.223, 1x 7.63x39, 1x30.06, 1x .357mag, 1x9mm,) or so of ammo I would like to have to really finish off my ammo stash.

Also I have barely made a dent in communications gear and could use a bigger fairly heavy 4x4 vehicle. When practical some solar panels and a whole mini power system would be awesome. Of course we haven't even considered 20 acres with a decent house that has a wood stove and a basement.

I realized something recently. While we do not know if any sort of major SHTF will happen we also certainly do not know if it is going to happen at all. I see so many folks freaking out because they are sure the world is going to end in 6 weeks and thus have to get everything they are every going to want with their next pay check.

Guys like Hermit and Commander Zero and Rawles often say something like "yeah I have a lot of stuff...but I have also been doing this for a long time". I recall Hermit specifically mentioning that just about anyone who collected firearms for 20 years would almost surely have a sizeable collection.

To be honest I struggle with this from time to time myself. Enough so that Wifey asked if I was reading this also or just preaching.

Initially getting into emergency preparedness costs some money, doubly so if you didn't already live a life where camping and shooting were involved. Aside from this initial cost (say a used pump shotgun, some shells, food, water, first aid stuff, camping gear) you can take a deep breathe and do the rest as finances and other conditions allow.

Excluding the independently none of us are going to go from a totally normal existence to a stocked retreat in North Idaho that has a small arsenal, a fleet of refurbished emp proof diesel trucks and enough fuel to be flying down the road in 2040 in a month or even a year.

I think too many folks look at the costs of stuff and either totally give up or decide the only way they can afford to do it is by getting a Mosin Nagant and building a shack somewhere (nothing against Mosin's or shacks, just needed to make a point) or just give up entirely. Also I suspect lots of folks decide to get into preparadness and jump blindly head first into it. After a few weeks or months of gear, food, guns and ammo eating up every available penny they get these folks burn out on it all, stash the gun in the closet, eat the canned food and go back to their life as it once was.

You need to have a long view and keep things in perspective. Yes the world might end and you would really with that instead of going to see Uncle John for that weekend you would have bought 4 cases of canned food or instead of going to Hawaii you would have gotten an AR with a few mags and some ammo. Then again you might be lying on your deathbed some day thinking it would have been great to see Uncle John one last time or walk on the beach in Hawaii.

Of course if every time you get a few bucks you go out and buy some new electronic gadget or go on a trip the pantry and gun safe are not going to fill up but also every time you get a few bucks it doesn't need to go to a gun, ammo, storage food, etc.

Have preparedness be a priority and a significant part of your life (financial/ time/ etc) but that doesn't mean it is the only part or that it is your entire life.

Make preparedness part of your life not your entire life.

Edited to include: If you WANT to have a shack and a Mosin Nagant that is fine and good. If you are concerned that the world is going to end and your next paycheck is all you will have to prepare and go for that it is probably a mistake. Of course you could buy a Mosin Nagant and build a shack now then down the road pick up an AR/AK/M1A and replace the shack with a nice travel trailer or a little cabin but that is another discusssion. Brass, Never had scrapple but I do like moon shine. I could bring my Springfield and we could have bolt gun bonding.

Wednesday, September 9, 2009

What is Your Dream Firearms Battery?

Mine is noted for the record (or at least the ones I don't own yet are). I am curious about what your dream firearms battery is. Also I might not have the net for a couple days so I am kind of pulling a few posts out of thin air.

Friday, September 4, 2009

Thursday, July 30, 2009

Reply To Somebodies Comment

I like approving comments so I can see what people put up. More about knowing what is going on and being able to reply to that comment on last Tuesdays post then controlling content. Anyway a fellow wrote a comment on guns.

He specifically decided he should not own more than 5 guns. He currently has 4:
a bolt action .270
a ruger mini 14 .223
mossberg partner 12 gauge
and some sort of a 9x18 soviet bloc piece

He wondered what my thoughts were on his collection. In terms of individual guns I can find little to argue about. Mossbergs and Mini's are pretty darn common and well liked. The .270 isn't as common as a 30.06 or a .308 but it passes the country store test so I can't say much. As for the pistol I would stock PLENTY (3+ cases) of ammo because unless I miss my guess you may be able to pick it up at a well stocked store in the big city but other than that it is mail order.

As for what you should get for the fifth gun I can observe that you do not own a .22. Maybe you don't like plinking and choose to practice with centerfire weapons, I am not sure. In any case you mentioned maybe getting a .44 magnum. Can't say anything bad about them in terms of power and such. My advice is that unless you life in Grizzly country go with a .357. The odds of finding .357 magnum ammo are far better as everyone and their mom owns a .38 or a .357mag. Since the pistol you have now is definitely an odd ball getting something very common could be wise.

Friday, July 3, 2009

A Good Quote

"A closet full of food gives you a nice security blanket, and a rifle with sufficient ammunition adds wonderfully to that."
-Dakin

Monday, May 25, 2009

Top 5 Survival Guns

Normally this is TOR's area, but I thought I would expand a bit. So here, in no particular order, is my Top 5 Survival Guns

Remington Model 870- This is your standard "boom-clack," able to be configured into basically whatever you could want, and lasts forever (Rudy Etchen put 4 million rounds through his 870 with just some minor parts replacement to keep it going). It basically doesn't get better than that. And, as is true with all shotguns, there is basically nothing it can't do.

Ruger 10/22- This is basically the king of the .22. It is the most versatile .22 I have found; if there is something that a .22 can do, the 10/22 can do it better then most. Ammo is just about as cheap as it gets, making stocking up also cheap.

Lee-Enfield- Personally I just love this gun. Its a nail-driver, and has the sweetest bolt I have ever felt. There is a big down side, called the British .303, but this gun gets me hard just thinking about it. I might be biased, but I love this damn gun.

Glock- I didn't list a specific caliber, because, well, I didn't want to turn this into a .45 v. 9mm debate. Glocks are great guns. They are basically invincible. Enough said.

AK 47- There is a reason this is the most popular weapon in the world. Designed to be buried in a rice field for 50 years, dug up, and able to kill the invaders, this piece of stamped metal is a epic weapon (as long as you are within 50m of what you are trying to kill). There is a reason it is on everyone's list. Cheap ammo is a plus.

I know there is nothing new here, but I thought it would be fun to write it down... And it was!

Monday, April 27, 2009

Hermit on Surplus Rifles and Ammo.

(TOR notes: Hermit was kind enough to help me out by writing a post on surplus rifles and ammo. I will make some comments in italics)


I first began collecting military surplus rifles in 1986. I’d just left the Marine Corps, and moved up into the Smoky Mountains. My wife and I found some land in a sparsely populated part of mountains, and I was able to set up my own range and a shop to work on my weapons.

In the 1980’s, surplus military firearms were very cheap and there was a huge variety on the market to choose from. In a town 50 miles from our place, there was a general merchandise store that specialized in these older weapons. Not because there were many collectors about, but because the guns were cheap, reliable, and prized as useful tools by the local people. Money was in short supply and there was little enthusiasm for expensive hunting rifles. Hunting was a practical part of life, associated not with sport so much as with obtaining food. If a person could fill his freezer with meat using a 1903 Springfield purchased for $150, then all the better.

On weekends, I’d drive down to this town with my wife. While she looked at things we needed for the household, I’d look at guns. The store had a layaway policy with no time limit and very liberal payment terms. They received shipments of surplus rifles frequently and the weapons were always in very good to excellent condition. The store manager was careful to keep a supply of the appropriate ammunition for any guns he sold, so affordable ammunition was never really an issue. Bearing in mind that most people bought one or two twenty round boxes for hunting season, it wasn’t difficult in those days to keep adequate quantities of ammo on hand.

If the main objective of your gun buying was not hunting, as was the case with me, then shooting relatively costly hollow point or soft point ammo at targets made little sense. Aware of this, the manager also kept military surplus ball ammo on hand at bargain basement prices. Through the late eighties and into the late 1990’s, surplus ammo was never a problem. You could get .30 carbine, 30-06, .308 Winchester, 8 mm Mauser, 6.5X55 Swedish Mauser and just about anything else you needed cheaply. If you bought and depended on a .30 Carbine or something in 6.5X55 Swedish you would be SOL now. Russian and other Eastern block ammo like 7.62X54 and 7.62X39 was plentiful, either by mail order or in any shooting store.

By the end of the 1990’s, the older rifles were beginning to get harder to find and they became more costly. The General Store I frequented was purchased by a New York company and immediately went out of the gun business. I had acquired a Curio and Relic collectors license, and the wholesalers I dealt with began a steady process of raising prices on the weapons. Surplus ammo from the Eastern Block remained easy to find, but common American chamberings like .30 carbine and 30-06 in surplus started drying up. .303 British, (notice a theme here, the .303 which used to be cheap to feed is no longer so) necessary to feed my Enfields, had once been more plentiful than just about any Western cartridge, a wooden case of Pakistani POF .303 going for around $100.00, which got you 780 rounds of brass cased, berdan primed ball. By 2000, it was harder to find and the last full case I bought , I got from a wholesaler over a year ago. 7.5 Swiss, 7.56 French, 8X56R Hungarian and other more esoteric rounds which had once been available as surplus with a little effort, now simply vanished. (for someone like Hermit who has a couple *cough* of spare rifles it is unpleasant to not be able to take a certain rifle plinking but if it is your only rifle it is a serious problem)

When Clinton started his anti-gun pogrom in the mid nineties, I took steps to ensure I’d have ammo regardless of the machinations of Feinstein, Schumer, Kennedy, Reno or the other gun grabbing liberals in his administration. I bought ammo for the rifles by the case, paying special attention to the hardest to find ammo first. I got .308 from Venezuela, South Africa, Portugal, Ecuador, Australia and India among other countries of origin. I bought .303 British by the case from a big wholesaler in Illinois, and from Sportsmans Guide. Some of this is Iraqi, some Syrian, some British , and most of it comes from Pakistan. I bought two cases of 8X56R Hungarian to feed my M1895 carbines, and I loaded up on Greek 30-06 from CMP and Century International Arms. 7.62X54R I bought every time someone offered brass cased surplus. I also bought a number of cases of the excellent S&B 7.52X54. Just before Clinton cut off ammo imports from China, I managed to obtain 4 cases of Chinese 7.62X39. In short, anticipating that surplus ammo might at any moment be cut off by “executive order” I stocked up as comprehensively as I could. It took time and money, but I have a good safety margin now for maintaining an adequate ammo supply for the old guns.


Being a smart guy who watches the tide of events Hermit was able to get some relatively last minute ammo before the window was closed and supplies ran out. Broadly speaking last minute plans have a pretty high chance of failure and should not be depended on.


I took the additional step of learning to reload, and acquiring the appropriate components and tools to do so. Reloading is not difficult to learn, not expensive to get started in, and is very rewarding. Not only does it furnish you with loaded rounds for your weapons independently of any action a repressive government may take, but it is an extremely satisfying and relaxing hobby. You get a lot for the money you spend on reloading. I know an individual who, like me, chose to live as far out in the bush and away from “society” as he could arrange. He maintains enough powder, bullets, brass and primers to satisfy any foreseeable need for the rest of his life, and he’s a shooter. Reloading gives you flexibility and independence.


One thing a wise man I knew told me is that you do not save money by reloading, however you do get to shoot a whole lot more;)


If you are considering buying a Mauser, a Mosin , an Enfield or any of the other older guns on the market, it’s a good decision in my view. First, you get a reliable and battle tested weapon at a fraction of the price of a black rifle. Second, you get the peace of mind and self confidence that owning a full powered rifle conveys in unsettled times. With these advantages, you also have to deal with logistics aspects of ensuring an adequate supply of ammo. I would say if this rifle is for self defense, get an Eastern block gun like the Mosin Nagant (the cost of ammo for other surplus bolt guns is somewhat prohibitive for those on lower budgets). There are different variants to suit the preference of each individual. Surplus ammo is plentiful for now (as it once was for so many other chamberings). Buy yourself a case, or two, or whatever will meet your full requirements in the future. Establish a relationship with a local gun store so they keep an eye out for bargains on chamberings you need, and stock your ammo as a regular part of inventory. Finally, a basic reloading kit with everything you need in the way of tools runs about $100.00. Get the kit, get the dies for your rifle chambering, and lay in some bullets, powder and primers now. Cover all the bases. If you do that, there’s no reason why a surplus rifle shouldn’t be an ideal personal weapon for you, whatever may be coming down the road.


TOR here: First of all lets give Hermit a big round of applause. He knows more about this subject than anybody I know. This post was interesting and informative. I would really like you to note that commonly available calibers can and do become unavailable. Supplies run out and government edicts can cut off supplies, sometimes with short notice.


As a final thought with every decision there are positives and negatives. The positives can be enjoyed and the negatives must be managed. The positives of surplus bolt guns is that they are accurate, readily available, super reliable and inexpensive. The negative (aside from minimal round capacity and slow rate of fire but that is another discussion) is that ammunition supplies can and do dry up for various reasons. If you can properly manage the negative by purchasing ample supplies of ammunition while it is inexpensively available and potentially reloading down the road owning surplus rifles will almost surely be a positive experience for you.


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