Showing posts with label guns. Show all posts
Showing posts with label guns. Show all posts

Wednesday, July 25, 2018

Magic Number of Guns Discussion

This post hit some points worth discussing. In no particular order.
-To Tim my thoughts on how much ammo/ mags/ etc to have are on the record.

-Pineslayer, My biggest firearms expense this year was an order of spare parts. Good times.

-"Can you be too prepared?" I don't think so. However I do think you can misallocate finite resources. We only have so much money. So $500 spent on another Glock is $500 that's not in your emergency fund, or buying a sat phone or other things.

-Aesop, I look at caches more as redundancy and diversification than specifically for escape and evasion. Though spares at home help in some situations too. Personally I would probably have (presuming I had some multiples of useful guns) about half my guns at home and half caches in different locations. So if I had 10 sets of guns 5 would be at home and 5 would be spread around.

Yeah if things are bad enough that you need several rifles maybe a passport and a tube of gold coins is the better approach.

-Peter, Personally I would get the stuff squared away for one gun (or most of the way) before getting another.  I do that stuff by rations. So like 1x Glock needs 10 mags and 500 rounds of HP ammo. Total cost is a consideration and in part why I lean towards 9mm Glocks.

As to moving stuff. I think we have to look at a couple angles. First I think the best way to avoid losing stuff to a sudden move is caching. Say I have 5 rifles/ pistols. I have 2 sets at my place, one at a friends cabin, one at the family farm and the last buried in the woods. I might lose one but it is unlikely that I loose them all. Second I think losing everything if you have to leave your primary residence is mostly a concern if you have everything at your house.

Your idea of having 3 sets seems pretty reasonable. Keeping the reserve set somewhere else is also doable. I definitely agree each gun needs its own stuff. This applies even if it is redundant (your second, third, etc of the same gun) firearm. Maybe the holster for Glock #4 doesn't need to be the most Gucci kit but it still needs a darn holster.

-I can't see people "bugging out" on foot with multiple long guns, period. I do like shotguns but more as a general purpose around the home/ farm kind of gun.

-.22lr. If I was adding a 3rd gun for myself a .22lr pistol would be a strong candidate.

-.22 mag. Honestly I have never seen much point to this round. In rifles I have .22lr and if that isn't sufficient 5.56 or larger. No need for something in between.

For caching it depends on the concept of use. For a minuteman cache a .22 is questionable. For a survival cache it is a very strong candidate.

Monday, July 23, 2018

The Magic Number by Commander Zero

Having a number is important and our friend Commander Zero shared his:

10 AR's
10 Glock 9mm's
10 Remington 870's and
10 Ruger 10/22's

A number is inherently personal thing. We can try to come up with supporting work to justify it but at the end of the day I think that X is our magic number because it makes us happy.

The three big thoughts I have about this are A) Personally I would be more inclined to do a ratio of core guns to less essential guns. In this case I would say that you probably need more fighting guns like AR's and Glocks than Ruger 10/22's and 870's. I would probably do like 1x AR and Glock to maybe .5 of plinkers and shotguns. Ditto tiny pocket handguns and hunting rifles. So if you have 2 Glocks and AR's you would have 1 each shotgun and 10/22. YMMV. B) Focus less on guns than more holistically on systems. You don't need pistol #3, you need an urban cache near work. You don't need rifle and pistol #4, you need a red dawn kit up at grandpas place. Systems involve a bunch of other stuff beside just the guns. C) In figuring out your magic number it is probably relative to the places you can stash guns. At some point stashing another gun in the safe doesn't help much. Set up the place for the gun to go and then buy the gun (as well as the other stuff).


Monday, June 18, 2018

Starting a Firearms Battery Over

We can use a good cliché gun porn post. Thankfully no tragedies have happened but it makes for an interesting train of thought. Say the guns I currently have were ALL lost in a boating accident/ fire/ etc. Anyway for the discussion I would find myself starting over with the knowledge I have today and in todays market.

Core guns:
-Glock 26
-Glock 19 (Both with the same sights and modifications, if any.)
-AKM x 2 (If you said AR I wouldn't argue. Honestly get whichever of the two you prefer.)
-Remington 870 12 gauge with long and short barrels. Light attached to short barrel.
-Savage .308, probably the Hog Hunter model, with a mid size variable power scope.

Nice to have:
-Marlin model 60 .22
-Some sort of tiny pistol.

If I wanted to make caches down the road I would use these same models of guns.

Basically the big differences would be that I would keep things really simple. Also there wouldn't be a log of churning stuff. I would minimize the use of magazines in non tactical weapons (When does a speed reload for a .22 squirrel gun/ plinker ever matter?).

I would take advantage of high value weapons. I would use the money I saved not building uber expensive AR's and put it into a good scope for the Savage as well as lots of mags, spare parts and ammo. Also by keeping things simple and affordable it would let me rather quickly check the 'guns' box and put energy as well as money into other areas.

If you were doing it all over again what would you get and why?

How does this differ from what you have now and why?

Sunday, June 10, 2018

Spray and Pray, Revolvers and the mighty M1 Garand

Blogger Robert Kirk said...
I try to have on-hand weapons without magazines like SKS or M1 and revolvers instead of semi-autos. The volume of fire is lessened, but the trained quality should be better (vs "spray & pray"). Using weapons without magazines cuts down on "overhead" cost for mags, meaning you can spend more for ammo. It also means no mag issues like the ARs incompatibility or mag use damage. You might eventually, possibly, have a weapon that is only good for a doorstop in TEOTWAWKI. Not good.

Rucksack Rob said...
You do have a valid point...almost. I like revolvers a lot! They are dependable, spit out any ammo fed to them and are great for both novice and expert.
My disagreement with your statement is the M1 (Garand I'm assuming). The Garand was and still is one of the best rifles ever designed but let me ask you, how many enbloc clips do you have? When that rifle was standard issue, the military had unlimited clips pre-loaded as issued to the "Joe's" who carried it. Now again I ask you... how many do you have stashed away to reload w/ 8 rds. of 30-06 after said firefight? Did you stop to pick up the clips that were thrown 3-6 ft. away in the tall grass in the dark?
Yes 20-30rd magazines may be a slight logistical problem for some preppers / soldiers but it's much easier to stock up now on brand new mags (vs. surplus clips) which, during the heat of any type of battle would be easier to pick up off the ground at your feet or to perform a tactical reload and stuff the mag in a pouch or down your shirt than a clip that was thrown out to 'tim-buk-tu'
After 24 years in the Army, all in combat arms, I do have some working knowledge of combat rifles, both foreign and domestic and as stated earlier, the Garand is a fine rifle but because of the clips, is one that is slightly outdated for that one reason only. I do own one and love to shoot it but it would not be my first choice for a MBR in a SHTF scenario unless of course, it was the only one I had with me at the
I forget who said "Be cautious of the man with one gun, for he probably knows how to use it." and for all I know, that could fit you to a 'T'.

Ryan here. This sort of statement about mag fed weapons and 'spray and pray' has been thrown out enough over time that I feel like addressing it. I also plan to touch on the M1 Garand and revolvers.

"I try to have on-hand weapons without magazines like SKS or M1 and revolvers instead of semi-autos. The volume of fire is lessened, but the trained quality should be better (vs "spray & pray")."

This kind of thinking conflates skill, tactics and technology. In simple language people mix stuff together and come to an overall flawed conclusion. Lets look at them in order then bring it all together.

Skill- The ability to accurately engage a target comes from your ability to apply the fundamentals of marksmenship. Presuming a weapon is mechanically accurate, which most of them are, a person who can shoot will be able to hit with whatever gun. If we look at it most civilian defensive shooting problems they are not particularly difficult.

Tactics- Moving, shooting, use of cover, etc all. One could say "spray and pray" is a tactic though I would say it I say it is a bad tactic. At best it is a fundamental misunderstanding of small unit tactics (fire and maneuver, etc) but at worst it is utter stupidity.

Equipment drives tactics in the big picture though for an individual with a rifle or handgun not much has changed really in awhile.

Technology- The AR and AK are 50's technology and semi automatic pistols have been standard across the vast majority of the worlds militaries since WWII. Cops in the US used revolvers for longer than that till say the early 90's.

Where the conflation occurs in this thinking is that people think by limiting their technology they will somehow magically get better results. At best this thinking is ignorant. People who think this almost universally lack training or experience.

Put it like this, Would an older less capable racecar improve the performance of the driver in a race? Obviously not. The idea is laughable. The answer to improving discipline, taking good shots and getting hits is about training. A shitty shot who is scared can empty a wheel gun or SKS into thin air just the same as they could a tricked out race gun or high end AR-15.

So aside from being fundamentally flawed limiting capacity and reload time via technology are problematic. The issue is that even if somehow a 6 shot revolver made you into a steely eyed killer, which it doesn't, you would still be a steely eyed killer with a 6 shooter. If you get into a situation where that's not enough you have a problem.

There is also a layer of economic resentment or jealousy in any of these discussions. The economic classism in American society does not vanish in gun/ preparedness culture. Some folks feel compelled to say their choice, made mostly for economic reasons, is better to feel good about it. Instead of saying "I know its not ideal but its what I can afford" guys have to somehow try to justify it being a better choice.

So in closing using a different gun to try to fix (lack of) training issues is not a useful idea.

Now to revolvers and the good ole M1 Garand.


1-  Reliability/ durability. We have a tendency to look back at revolvers with rose colored glasses.

As someone much more experienced than I (who was also a LEO in the wheel gun era) said "Revolvers handle neglect better while semi automatics handle abuse better." If a gun is going to sit indefinitely in a drawer somewhere a revolver is more likely to work a couple years down the road. On the other hand if it might get carried through a mud puddle or dropped in sand a modern universal service pistol is far more likely to function.

They had issues with getting dirty, timing and failing. A local agency used to stop partway through their 60 round qualification to use a brush to wipe out under the star extractors because otherwise the guns (S&W model 66's) wouldn't extract properly.

Also revolvers are considerably more fragile than one might think. People think about the big heavy metal frame with a fixed barrel but forget about the little parts like the cylinder stop that are pretty fragile and when broken stop the gun cold.

A lot of revolver owners these days have selective memory in part because they tend (there are exceptions but they are rare) not to shoot much. Any halfway decent gun will be pretty reliable if you shoot 200 rounds a year through it.

2- Revolvers excel at the ends of the size spectrum. The difference between a little 5 shot J frame and a 6-7 shot single stack .308/9mm are minimal. For larger magnum type guns revolvers are stronger and much more affordable. In the middle with compact/ duty sized guns revolvers really lose out. A S&W k frame, probably the epitome of a duty revolver holds 6 shots. A Glock 17 is about the same size, lighter and holds 2.5x the ammo. Multiply that by a couple reloads and a double stack auto is a whole different ballgame than a wheel gun.

3- From a preparedness angle (vs general defensive use) revolvers have a couple of unique pros and cons. Pro- Ability to handle a variety of ammunition. Since a round doesn't have to cycle the action revolvers are more tolerant of weaker loads than an automatic. Con- Fitting parts. Modern universal service pistols have drop in parts. That means any chuckle head with basic tools can swap out parts. Good luck trying that with a wheel gun. The saying that fixing a Glock involves a tool box and fixing a revolver involves a gunsmith has more than a little validity.

M1 Garand:
I honestly can't believe we are discussing this. The Garand was the peak of fighting rifles from its adoption in 1936 when everyone was shooting bolt guns we had a semi auto. Then in about '43 the STV-40 and STG-44 came to be. Certainly by the late 40's to mid 1950's when reliable mag fed rifles such as the AK-47 and FN-FAL were fielded the Garand was obsolete.

They feed from an 8 round en bloc clip and are pretty picky about ammunition. Modern 30'06 ammo (the one exception being specially loaded ammo from Prvi Partisan) is too powerful and will potentially bend op rods. To cap that all off the Garand's in existence are usually 70 some odd years old. Even if they were properly stored and cared for metal fatigues over time.  Also to make matters worse these guns aren't cheap anymore. A moot point if you own a couple already but at the price these days you could get a new quality AR or AK.

If you are a salty old WWII or Korea vet who is intimately familiar with a Garand that has one and a bunch of spam cans of ammo in the basement then stick with it. For anyone else having a Garand as a fighting weapon is silly.

If you want to own a Garand as a history piece for your collection then rock on. By all means do it, they are a neat piece of history. In the unlikely event you are in some crazy siege thing and have more shooters than guns by all means toss someone the Garand. However planning to use a gun that has serious limitations in a primary defensive role is foolish.

As a final thought despite spending however many words and an hour or so of my time guns really don't matter that much. If you look at realistic defensive shootings guns don't matter that much. It matters that a person has a loaded gun, can get that gun into play and shoot it accurately in a timely manner. Somewhere after that it matters what kind of gun the person has.

Put it like this. People tend to be way too focused on the gun itself and in that focus miss the real point that it is about themselves and their capability. A person with the right skills and frame of mind can win a fight with a shitty old .38 wheel gun. A guy who lacks the right skills and frame of mind could be carrying a $3,000 high end pistol and it doesn't matter. To get it out of the gun discussion I could show up to the course with $20 Goodwill golf clubs and if I swapped clubs then played with Tiger Woods he would still kick my ass.

Edited to include:

I did not touch on the cost of magazines as a benefit to go with something not mag fed.

We have to look at the cost of magazines vs the utility a mag fed gun brings. For fighting weapons it is silly to go with something that isn't mag fed. Honestly for the guns I am talking about magazines aren't all that expensive. Say AR/ AK mags are $12-14 and Glock 9mm mags $14-15, at least those prices are fairly close. So lets split the difference and say a full load out of mags for your AR/ AK costs $260 and your Glock is $145. To have the capability of a modern firearm those prices are worthwhile.

Where I would say going old school makes sense is with non fighting weapons. So hunting rifles and .22's. Tube fed Marlin model 60's and .22 revolvers will serve their roles and you don't need to spend money on mags. Well those are my thoughts on that.

Saturday, May 21, 2016

And the AR 'Build' Winner Is....

BCM Standard 16" M4 SOCOM with BCM Bolt Carrier Group and BCM Gunfighter (medium) charging handle.
The cost was a shade over $250 more than the perpetual $299 PSA sale. I had the cash and in the long run think it will be worth it. I'll probably do a PSA one at some point but who knows.

I also ordered mags for it to maintain the right ratio. This plus some of those new magpul Glock mags is pretty much my prep for the election

Obviously it will need some accessories. Obviously a sling though I think I have one lying around. Also a rear sight. I will buy the same folding one we use at work. That way eventually if/ when I put an optic on it the transition will be easy.

Friday, March 18, 2016


I got into a discussion with a couple guys from work. Both seem to be big gun guys and one is into silencers. It turns out the whole fairly decent NFA trust rules change in July. So if a guy wanted to pick up a can or 3 and be able to give them to his kids he would need to do something about it pretty soon.

The con's of silencers are being on another list and the cost. I'm not that worried about the list thing. I'm probably on a list or two anyway. The $200 for a tax stamp plus the cost of a suppressor puts them at several hundred bucks or more a piece. I will have to look at the money situation but silencers might well be my little divorce present to myself.

A 7.62 can, a .45 can (with 9mm insert), and either a 5.56 or .22lr can (initial research says 5.56 will work for .22lr if you clean it regularly so screw apart helps) would give me a ton of options. Very rough price tag for the full meal deal would be a bit above 2,500 including the NFA trust. Now I could get the kinda OK one suppressor option or the fairly decent 2 suppressor option if the cash for the full meal deal doesn't come together.

The pro's are significant. Being able to shoot with minimal hearing protection would be nice. Shooting the random annoying animal in a safe but kind of near town scenario would be handy. The tactical benefits would, within some scenarios, is significant. Having a house gun that won't deafen me (if I forgot to put on ear's) would be nice. Also the possibility for discretely harvesting game or sentry removal could be handy.

This came on pretty fast for me but if I am ever going to do it and be able to give them (legally) to my kids down the road the time to do it is now.


Saturday, August 15, 2015

870 Police Sold!

Sold my 870P yesterday. Honestly I realized a couple weeks ago the right answer for a home defense long gun was my AR-15. It's illuminated reticle 1x scope is pretty handy in the dark too, also the 30 rd capacity is nice. Those coupled with minimal recoil and a round that manages penetration about as well as any sufficient cartridge make it IMO the ideal house gun. The only better option would be a 10.5in SBR but I'm not willing to go through the hoops at this point.

Picture semi related. My AR-15.
Sorry it is sideways but I could not figure out how to turn it. Anyway this is my 14.5in BCM middy with BCM gunfighter CH and Battle Comp. As to aftermarket parts I put a surefire light on it, a magpul buttstock, Magpul MBUS, VTAC sling, Midwest Industries free floating rail and a Burris 1-4x MTAC with a LaRue quick detach mount. If I have a choice this gun would come to war with me for sure. As a second I would bring my FAL but this one is my main rifle.

Honestly I can not think of a tactical scenario where I would take the 870P over my AR.   I think at some fundamental level a shotgun set up specifically for fighting is kind of missing the point, kind of like setting up a leatherman to be a fighting knife. What I mean by this is that the shotguns biggest strength is versatility. Given an appropriate selection of ammunition a shotgun can appropriately take little birdies, small game, pests, as well as medium to large game including 2 legged predators inside 100 meters or so. No other single gun can do that. However IMO setting up a dedicated fighting shotgun greatly hinders the versatility that makes the shotgun so useful.

The only exception is for folks in non free states who can not have modern military pattern rifles. That being said I am not in that situation and will not be at least for a couple more years.

On the plus side of this gun adventure if you buy guns (particularly used ones) at reasonable prices and sell/ trade them in a non desperate 'OMG I have to pay rent tomorrow of I get evicted so I'll take $300 for a gun worth $500'  way you can get almost all of your money back or even make money. I say almost all because for me and I would say most functional adults if I lose $20 on a $500 gun after trying a new concept and disregarding it that is a non issue. However for every time I have lost $20 there was another I have made a whole lot more.

Without getting into details as of late I have made a couple of very good deals. The first I honestly made my profit at the purchase of the item I ended up trading. Basically I got a smoking deal on a BCM AR pistol upper then made it into a pistol. Decided the positives of the pistol did not outweigh the negatives and traded it. Did great there. As to the 870P I responded to a persons add but wasn't desperate. I did good on the deal.

While I hate to admit it the last version of the seemingly continuous Protect 870 (a Plane Jane 870 with standard 28in vented barrel and 18.5in riot barrel) was a lot closer to what I view as the truth than the 870P. If the 870P didn't have ghost ring sites I would have just bought a long barrel and been good but what can ya do.

Down the road I will buy another shotgun. However since I do not hunt, am using my AR as a house gun and really just own a shotgun for general principle or potential future use if I decide to get into those activities (which I keep meaning to do but well job, family, life, etc) there is not a big rush. I will probably wait till winter when down on their luck people sell off hunting shotguns to pay for pre/ after Christmas bills.

I think my future go to 870 will be a basic express model. I will refinish it if the finish is beat as that is  weak point in that model. I will have a long barrel for hunting or sporting (which I have been meaning to try it seems fun) and a short barrel in case it needs to double as a HD gun. The exception would be if I could get one with a 20-22in barrel that took chokes which would actually be ideal. I will set up the shotgun to have a light, a sling and hold some ammo on board.

Or I might just bin the whole defense side and buy a single shot 12 gauge in case I need to hunt small game or whatever.


Monday, March 9, 2015

My Go To 3 Guns For The Walking Dead

Want to do something fun today. The Walking Dead is back on. They are in the almost boringly predictable scenario of a safe situation that is just a little too good to be true with hints of how it could go bad. Also Rick shaved his beard and has taken a practical, if not very humanistic, stance on looking after his group or just maybe is losing his shit. Time will tell. Anyway I've been thinking about what my top 3 guns for the Zombie Apocalypse a la Walking Dead would be.

AK-47 with fixed wood stock. Don't especially care what model though a good one would be nice and a chrome lined barrel would be good too. I do not want to get deep into the AK vs AR discussion. They both have a lot to offer and some marginal up sides over each other. The things that really put the AK above the AR, for this very specific scenario, is that it's capacity to use as a bludgeon to kill those darn Zombies is much better than the AR. Yes you  can butt stroke someone with an AR but you could bash in Walker skulls all day long with an AK with a fixed wood stock! Also they are more durable and physically rugged than AR's, if by a small margin, and close to comparable in terms of the amount of mags n ammo floating around to scavenge.

Glock 19/17 with threaded barrel and silencer. Mod's don't really matter but if I had the options it would have supressor sized  night sights, a stainless steel guide rod and a 3.5lb trigger connector. I would choose the Glock because they are super durable and probably the most common caliber/ platform out there.

Bolt action rifle with iron sights and a good scope in a flat shooting caliber. Due to commonality .308 would probably be the way I would go and one of the new Savage rifles like their Hog Hunter or Scout would be great but any old common bolt gun in .308/ '06 is just fine too. The goal of this would be reaching out and touching someone at 200+ yards with a fair element of precision.

The caveat to this is if I was able to really use one a bow (non compound variety) that would be a great option. One of those plain fiberglass 40ish pound recurve bows you see at garage sales all the time.

Busse TGLB sage with tan micarta grips. All the coolness of Daryl Dixon but with an easier to maintain finish

What are your walking dead guns?

Monday, February 9, 2015

Quote of the Day

"I think I'm going to sell my Kahr" -Me

"You're going to sell the CAR!"- Wifey

"The Kahr, K-H-A-R or maybe K-A-H-R, I'm not sure but it doesn't matter, that gun over there." as I pointed to where it was stored."- Me

"Oh, OK, that's great hun." - Wifey

Saturday, December 13, 2014

Larry Vickers on The Myth of Over Lubrication

Larry Vickers on 'over lubrication' of weapons. Before saying he is stupid I recommend a quick google search. It's fair to say Larry Vickers has forgotten more about all things guns and fighting with them than most people reading this know. His thoughts mirrors my personal experience, doubly so with the AR-15 platform which runs best wetter than other weapons. As far as I am concerned this is the last word on the matter.

Tuesday, November 25, 2014

Repost: How To Not Get Killed In a Riot

 In light of the rioting in Ferguson MO after the grand jury failed to indite the officer in the shooting of Michael Brown it seems like a good time to recycle this post. So here we go......

I have posted a bunch of videos of the LA Riots and talked a bit about how to be safe in a vehicle. Here are some thoughts on how to survive a riot. Check out this article and this for background. To be blunt riots tend to occur in urban areas with high percentages of lower income people. Riots happen in or near the Ghetto. Think I am being judgmental? When there is a riot in Beverly Hills I will formally apologize to everyone. Of course someone will invariably mention that there are no riots in Wyoming or something like that. While that is true lots of folks are in places with higher then desired riot potential because of work, family, a home they can't sell, etc. I am mainly speaking about dealing with a riot in the area where you live.

The biggest thing is to be aware of what is going on. Watch the local news or listen to local radio shows that have some news, reading a local paper is another alternative. We don't get networks ( dish network) so I listen to local radio show in the morning on my way to and from work. If nothing else just having the radio on a local station is a good idea. If things go completely nuts most stations will give out warning and such. Reginald Denny definitely would not have taken that route if he knew what was going on. Hindsight being 20/20 taking a sick day (even without pay) would have been a good idea. [Updated 1/25/14 to include: for a sick day go with something embarrassing and gross. Explosive diarrhea is a good one.]

Another cautionary tale. A guy I know was driving across the country from Oregon to Ft. Benning during the LA riots. His car didn't have a radio so he listened to The Clash on a boombox the whole time. He pulled into Atlanta to sleep for the night. Luckily nothing happened but he was completely clueless to the rioting in Atlanta. The 1911 under his seat would probably have been sufficient but had he been informed discretion would have been the better part of valor and he would have been wise to take an alternate route.

Now that we have spoken about staying informed the simple and logical reaction to a riot in your area is to leave. If you watch the news for powderkeg situations (cops using arguably excessive force on a minority seems to be the biggest one here) there should be some warning. Throw everything irreplaceable and high value compact items into the car and go somewhere else for a few days. Unless your livelihood and life savings is in a store I would get the heck out. This is not quite as much of a BS non answer as telling you to live in Wyoming. For whatever reason lets say that things happen so fast leaving isn't an option.

Here is what to do to be prepared for a riot in the Ghetto where you live. This is what you need to get ready now. Most of this stuff is pretty basic for anyone who spends much time on this site or others like it.

1. Have enough food and water to stay in your residence for at least a week, two is better. Most riots don't last that long but lets play it safe. Having a plan for cooking and sanitation if the power goes out is also a good idea. A radio which works when the electric is off would be a good idea. Options are numerous but picking up a couple extra sets of batteries for the cheap boom box that seems to live in every home would be a simple solution. At least one fire extinguisher is essential, two is better.

The great thing about this is that you now have the basis for dealing with natural disasters, blackouts, winter storms, or whatever else comes along. Some stuff is different for every scenario but regardless of what is happening you will need to drink water, eat food, go to the bathroom and stay informed as much as possible. Our basic life needs stay the same no matter what is going on.

2. Have a plan for getting yourself (and all loved ones) home that keeps you off public transportation and main roads. Have plans to stay away from choke points and such. Obviously children under a certain age will need to be picked up from child care or school. Depending on the circumstances kids 16 and over might be able to get themselves home. Route planning and maybe some sort of a GHB would be a good idea. At absolute minimum for a short trip home comfortable clothes, walking shoes and a bottle of water are a good idea. If work requires you to wear something else just stash some stuff in your car or at work. I could write a whole lot more about this subject also.

Getting home and the plan to do so is probably the piece of this whole thing that will change the most for different scenarios. In any case having comfortable seasonally appropriate clothes, walking shoes/ boots, some water and a snack is a pretty darn good start.

3. Have a reasonable stash of defensive firearms and ammunition. This is not the place for me to write 1,000 words about guns so I will sum it up. Have at least a centerfire pistol and a repeating shotgun with a couple hundred rounds of ammo for each. A basic four (shotgun, centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, .22) would be better. Every competent adult having a pistol and a long gun would be the best scenario. Unless your kids are old enough to handle firearms in a crisis (far different than plinking with the .22) this would just mean picking up a spare pistol [to make logistics and compatibility easier stick with one caliber of wheelguns (example .38/.357, etc) or one model of auto's(1911, Glock 19, etc all)].

Having some defensive firearms is essential for hurricanes, riots and such is essential. Even for a blackout having some guns is comforting as the peaceable fabric of society gets stretched a little bit. Get some guns and a reasonable stash of ammo is just good advice for life.

Now that you've got chow, a plan to get home from work and weapons to defend yourselves once you get there, that is a great start. Here is what to do a day or so after some cops beat or kill a guy and people get all mad then proceed to hurt, rob, burn and rape the heck out of their own neighborhood which you happen to live in or around. Things are going nuts in your immediate area and it is too late to leave.

1. If you are at home with your loved ones stay there. Call in to work and say whatever you need to; the bottom line is that you aren't coming in until things cool down. If you and all your loved ones are not home then do the following:

A) Tell the boss you need to get home. Help batten down the hatches at work but get out of there pretty quickly. If your boss is such an a hole that he wants to keep the store/ office open when you can hear gunshots and see fire then flip him the bird and walk out.

B) If you have kids beat feet (or whatever else the plan is) to them and then strait home.


Now you are home so more then half the battle is won. Here is where there are two options depending on your scenario.

2. If teaming up with some neighbors (Korean merchants and the You loot we shoot guys come to mind) for localized (think very small scale on this one) security is possible that would be a good course of action. You and a couple neighbors are not going to be able to win a fight with every looting a hole. However if they see guys with rifles and shotguns on the roofs on the western side of the street and no one with guns on the eastern side of the street where do you think they will go?

2B.Your neighbors are hiding in their closets in the fetal position or are out burning down liquor stores. In any case you are on your own. Broadly speaking you are in a house/ duplex or an apartment.

If you are in a house/ duplex either sit on the porch with a shotgun in your lap or stay inside with the blinds down. If people are mainly just looting being on the porch with a glass of ice tea and a pump shotgun will dissuade them from coming in your yard. That being said if the crowd is intent on committing violence to whatever race you happen to be (usually this is white people or whatever the minority in the neighborhood is, Koreans were also targeted in the LA Riots) then stay inside. Maybe keep a sign like this in the garage to put out front.

If you are in an apartment and the neighbors are not capable or willing to help then stay the heck inside. There are too many ways someone could easily get up close to you and too many people (neighbors) have the right to be walking around for you to stand around and try to defend the place. Hopefully you do not live on the first floor. Looking out the window through a lifted mini blind while playing spades with your significant other is probably the best thing you can do. Having something to bar the door that can be readily moved should you need to would be a good idea.

3. Now that you are home and more or less safe STAY THERE. You have food, water and life's other essentials so don't frickin leave. It is boring and mundane but you are safer then anywhere in the immediate area. STAY PUT. If you smoke keep a carton in the house. If you drink (drinking to any excess would be a very poor idea in this situation) then keep some around. Whatever stuff you would leave home in search of have a few spares at home.

To the best of my knowledge most people who have got into problems in riots were out and about. IMHO aside from being at a family members house or a motel 300 miles away watching the neighborhood burn on TV the safest place you can be is your residence. The only reason I would leave my residence in a riot is if it was on fire. If someone was moving toward my residence with the clear intent to set it on fire (ie Molotov cocktail, etc) they would die of acute lead poisoning.


Wednesday, January 22, 2014

White Knight Syndrome

Truth by James Yeager. You might not agree with everything he says but the man is dead on about this one. Personally I have thought a lot about the actual situations where I would intervene/ get involved with violent (or potentially so) situations that did not involve me. Admittedly as the years have gone by I have gotten older and wiser about this topic. Honestly the times I would get involved are pretty narrowly defined and vastly outnumbered by 'not my problem'.

If White Trash (I say as the most likely cultural group I would encounter in this context, not an insult. Pot says to kettle.) Joe is slapping around White trash Betty May  who is a stranger to me that is not my problem. If Betty May is my family member or good friend it is probably going to be Joe's problem but that is a whole nother discussion. The truth of those situations, from watching years of Cops, is that you are more likely to end up fighting both of them then save this gal or whatever.

Honestly if strangers are doing whatever sort of madness to each other and life/ limb/ eyesight are not genuinely in danger I sort of figure it's not my problem.

In a clear cut situation (ex random guy tries to grab old lady's purse in a parking lot, meth maggots assaulting a school girl a la Training Day, etc) I am more likely to get involved that some sort of DV or mutual combat situation. Then again I guess even that is scenario based.

If I'm walking around with 2 buddies who are also armed I'm going to get involved, we've got that purse snatchers number. If I'm alone I still really like my odds and will probably help Granny out.  On the other hand if I'm alone coming out of a store holding an upset/ tired/ sick/ whatever 3 year old in my left arm whilst wrangling a cart full of whatever that also holds my baby daughter the idea of getting involved in any fight I'm not forced into is a hard sell. Personally I consider any  potential risk to my loved ones as far more important than some random person. I'd see Granny in the dirt before risking my kids getting hurt. That is harsh and not nice to say but absolutely 100% true.

I don't mean to be uncaring here, nor that I do not value human life. If I can realistically help somebody without undue risk to my loved ones I would do so. True story... a few years ago in a shopping complex where my little sister used to work a woman was randomly murdered by a transient type guy. Just a normal gal doing some shopping or getting lunch and some asshat attacked her. He probably had a knife but I honestly do not recall. Anyway a bunch of people watched this goblin kill that poor gal. Ryan don't play that. At that point in life I was not legally able to carry a gun but I'd have stopped that guy or died trying. Knife (mine), improvised weapon like a metal chair or my bare hands there is no way I'm going to watch some monster butcher a person. The only way I wouldn't get involved is if I was A) alone with my children. Usually Wifey is with us and she could thus take them speedily in opposite direction while I go do what must be done AND B) I was not carrying a firearm.

[Admittedly a strait up lethal force situation is easier to deal with given that realistically my kids would be there. I say this because I'd tell crazy murderous transient to "stop or I will shoot you" then do precisely that. The odds of risk to my children, sitting in the grocery cart, when I am between them and knife wielding psycho and engage him while holding a pistol at the high ready are pretty darn low. The Tueler Drill goes out the window if the gun is already aimed and the shooter is willing to immediately open fire.]

Anyway as a person who may potentially (you bloody better) choose to carry deadly weapons I urge you to think about the situations where you might choose to get involved in a violent or potentially violent encounter. Consider the legal as well as social/ moral angles. Think about this now before you might have to make a split second decision that could change your life. Do the right thing for your family, yourself and strangers in that order.

Wednesday, January 8, 2014

Bug Out Vs Operational Pack Out and Survival Gun Discussion With American Mercenary

Packing for an Operation vs Packing to Bug Out
Interesting reading. In my mind a bug out is just a different type of operation with a more nebulous end time and few, if any enablers.

Inevitably the discussion went to firearms. Personally my "go guns" are the same guns I would take in a bug out situation though if going by vehicle I would beef it up to our survival guns by including my Ruger 10/22 and a Remington 870. The latter 2 guns are included in the heavy bug out to round out a basic firearms battery and since they are good food gathering weapons.

In a predominantly nonviolent wilderness based scenario I'd be rocking a .22 pistol if it was planned or a Glock 9 if unplanned and a pump 12 gauge as wilderness walk out guns. Those guns give a lot of options in gathering food and could protect me from dangerous game.

Back to the discussion of more man portable options American Mercenary returned with
Using a .22lr adapter as part of your fighting/ bug out gear
One of the unique attributes of the AR is that it's barrel is compatible with .22 lr ammo. Some time ago a .22lr adapter was made for the Military eventually followed by several civilian models. I have one of them. I would say it is sufficiently accurate, if just marginally, to serve as a backup way to procure game. Given that an adapter, a mag and a couple hundred rounds of CCI stingers would probably fit in a 16 ounce "Tall Boy" can I think that is a huge ability for an individual who needs to carry an AR-15 but wants some food gathering capability. With a simple swap of the bolt and magazine you can hunt with .22lr and save the 5.56 for bigger game.

The topic of .22lr dedicated upper's came up also. These are inevitably more accurate than the bolt swap kit but I can't see a reason to carry one around. It's 75% of the hassle of carrying a second rifle without it being a functional rifle. I'd rather have a second .22 rifle if I was going this way.

 .22lr pistols came up which I think has a lot of promise. They are of course harder to shoot well than rifles but are also less bulky. That being said .22 pistols can be plenty accurate. A friend and I went shooting once. He brought along his Father's .22 pistol just for fun. It was a bull barreled stainless Ruger with an el cheapo red dot on it. We were able to keep golf balls moving out to 20 yards or so with it easily. I'd say it would be an excellent squirrel gun.

I mind the idea of swapping a centerfire pistol for a .22 much more palatable than sacrificing a fighting rifle. Honestly for a combatant WITH A RIFLE a pistol is just icing on the cake anyway.

So those are my thoughts on that.

Monday, December 23, 2013

Operational Cache Financing and Item Selection

I'm in the midst of setting up the Operational Cache. Waiting for some ammo to show up from Lucky Gunner as well as a chest rig for the AK. Those plus some extra cleaning stuff will round it out.

Going to do some shooting this weekend then put the guns away.

Additional items have been forming up generally along the lines of our previous talk on the matter. Boots, water bottle, mora knife, poncho, etc. My general goal is to be able to show up and pick up the stuff for concealed carry or if need be go from street clothes to a functional combatant.

Somebody mentioned price once. I shutter to actually do the math but it was a lot. Full price today on everything would probably be over 2k USD. Part of it is that gun prices have gone up considerably (over 200%) over the past few years so replacement cost is very different from cash I have in that stuff. However that was not an issue because it was all stuff I already had. Like many survivalists I have been buying guns, ammo and gear pretty consistently since I was legally able to do so.

What I basically did was pull together a bunch of stuff that was lying around and put it together to set away someplace else, just in case I need it there in the future. 

When I was choosing stuff for this it went like this. What is currently used regularly? What are heirlooms or prized guns I want around to ensure the care of to someday pass on to my children? Everything else was looked at. I kept an eye toward keeping redundancy at home while also balancing similar firearms and compatible calibers with the people on the other end. In the end I chose 2 guns. Would have brought more but the case I already owned was pretty tight already.

You might not have 1-2k to buy guns you can stash. However I bet most folks reading this have got a spare SKS or Mosin Nagant or pump shotgun, probably a pistol you tried for tactical use or CCW and didn't quite like but never sold. Guns gathering dust back in the safe or closet can be taken elsewhere to be priceless backups.

The rest of the stuff was picked in a similar way. I need a knife, go to the extra knife stash to pick one that will work. I need mags, go to the mag stash and grab some, etc. Even the case the guns went into was lying around taking up space in the garage.

The only real cash I'm putting into this is for an AK rig which I have been delinquent in buying for some time, a case of 7.62x39 HP and some .38 special ammo. I went longer on ammo than originally planned since I was able to avoid buying a new rifle case which freed up some cash.

The point I am trying to get at is that most of the people reading this have the stuff to set up at least one of these caches right now without meaningfully lowering their preparedness at their primary location. In other words I am trying to motivate you all to get off your duff's and start making caches. If you already have all the caches you want/ need then by all means disregard but if you've been admiring the problem of setting up caches for awhile get to actually doing it.

Got Cache?

Sunday, December 1, 2013

Gun Time Warp: Skills and Strategy Matter Not Hardware

Lets just say that tomorrow I woke up and my firearms battery was very different. Instead of the more modern guns in our current battery I had a Remington 870 Wingmaster with an 18.5inch cylinder bore barrel and a 28" modified choke, a Marlin model 60, a J frame .38, a 1911 or maybe a K frame .357 and a 30-30 Winchester. All of these guns were available a half century ago in the 1960's.

I could hunt anything in the Continental US, have a solid CCW pistol as well as a house gun a shotgun that will do anything plus a good rifle and a .22. I would be down a lot in capacity but honestly that is rarely the issue which decides the day for Joe Six Pack civilian. Realistically this setup could handle all manner of sporting, home defense and a pretty nasty Katrina like SHTF scenario. I won't lie and say it is equal to a Glock 19 and AR or AK but assuming the operator does their job in anything short of a full on war the difference in capacity is rarely needed.

What I am getting at is that skills and strategy matter a lot more than hardware. If you are on a basic guns type budget it might be worth putting money into training before looking at upgrading your guns.

Sunday, November 17, 2013

Justifying New Gun Purchases

 There are some valid points here. Assuming a gun is purchased at a reasonable price and sold in roughly comparable condition in a non fire sale 'got to sell it today' way they hold their value quite well. Do however note there are a few qualifiers there.

 I think this decision is a lot easier for gun enthusiasts/ tacticly minded type folks than survivalists or their toned down better dressed cousins 'preppers'. A shooter can buy the cool new gun they want and assuming it's not a financially ruinous move (buying a SCAR-H on a credit card, etc) then rock on. A survivalist on the other hand has different stuff to look at. It's not just 'do I need this gun' or even 'do I want this gun' anymore.

For a survivalist it's more like 'Do I have enough ammo for the guns I own now?' All the guns in the world are useless without ammo. From a utilitarian survivalism perspective a pair of good fighting rifles or even better one per family member of either something AR-15 based or AK-47's then lots of ammo is probably the right answer. (If your pockets are deep I guess .308's are fine) Stocking deep on 5.56 or 7.62x39 to keep the guns you own fed is more important than buying a SCAR/ Steyr-Aug/FN-2000 for fun.

Even aside from ammo should that money be going into food or fuel or a Berkey water filter, or a Titan Ready Water barrel rack system to hold a couple hundred gallons of water or training to use the guns you have?

In short for survivalists you cannot have too many guns but can certainly short yourself elsewhere to get a new toy.

Monday, November 4, 2013

Wilderness Walk Out Guns

I saw this video from Iraqvet888 then thought about it off and on all day.The basic scenario is that you find yourself stuck in the woods somewhere then have to walk out. I believe they mentioned Alaska but I would keep it more generic.

For parameters to me the "walk" portion means you are limited to 1 long gun and 1 pistol.

Long gun- My immediate thought was between a .22 rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun. After a few minute's of consideration the shotgun won hands down. A 12 gauge shotgun with a variety of shells can take anything from little squirrels to (obviously at fairly close range) the biggest bears. I'm not worried about taking tiny game (let alone a right fight with people) past 40-50 meters so I'd rather have the versatility of the shotgun. Also since this is a limited time scenario (vs batman in the boondocks) the weight of shotgun ammo is not a huge issue.

A pump shotgun is ample for self defense against animals and people in anything but a crazy SHTF situation.

I would take a Remington 870 with a 28" barrel and a mix of shotgun shells all the way from #6 shot to slugs. Another pump shotgun like a Mossberg would be fine also.

Pistol- If I was gaming the scenario for the ultimate wilderness survival handgun it would be a .22 of some sort. This would be to save shotgun ammo by taking closer, easier shots on smaller game with the pistol. A .22 mag revolver of some sort would probably be ideal, given that ammo is limited to what I'm carrying anyway might as well have the extra power over the more common .22lr.

That being said realistically if I was getting stuck in an accident or whatever I would be carrying a centerfire pistol for defensive purposes, probably a .357 mag revolver so that is what I would have on my waist by default. If I move to Alaska I'll buy a .44 magnum revolver so I would be carrying that.

What are your ideal wilderness walkout guns? Do you actually take them to the woods with you?

Thursday, September 5, 2013

Louisiana Tax Free 2nd Ammendment Weekend 6-8 SEP 2013

It seems once a year Louisiana does a tax free weekend for guns, ammo, hunting stuff, etc once a year. This is pretty cool. Don't think I'll be buying much. Most of my significant needs are in the bulk ammo spectrum; I've been eying a case of 7.62x39 and some 9mm ball but will probably pick up a couple boxes this weekend just because. Anyway for folks who can use a gun or pick up their ammo a few boxes at a time locally this is a cool deal.

Speaking of cool deals remember the huge Mountain House sale at Camping Survival.

Wednesday, August 28, 2013

RE: What To Do With Extra Firearms

This came up in the comments for the latest chapter in You Took Away Tomorrow:

One question I've had off the top of my head is arsenal wise. If you were a guy that had hunting bolt and lever rifles or extra pistols laying around, would you take those? Say your .243, .270, .30-30? For me I can't imagine leaving them somewhere, but taking 5-10 non tactical weapons that wouldn't help a lot seems like a lot of space and weight to carry! Thoughts? Click to read the rest

My response:
I would recommend spreading your proverbial extra eggs out. Cache them or leave them in convenient locations. [EX if you always meet up at Jim's to go hunting leave the .243 and your big .357mag there with some spare ammo. This means you have couple guns in a place you regularly travel to away from home. Maybe they'll help you and maybe they'll help Jim. Either way it beats them sitting as extras you couldn't move in a bad situation.]

They key is doing these things, to some degree, now before you need to.

General diversification strategy aside I would not underrate non tactical type guns. A good .22 and a hunting type shotgun are some of the most practical guns out there and a scoped deer rifle can be pretty handy also. Not tacticool but really useful for game gathering.

What are you doing with firearms beyond your basic needs? There are lots of viable options but I would submit that putting them all in a big gun safe at home is  probably not the right answer.

On another note this evening somehow vanished so you get somebody else's stuff with my thoughts on it. Good news I ordered a bunch of stuff to complete various systems today; a couple metal sporks, another steel water bottle, a streamlight flashlight and some other things. Had craziness with amazon but eventually I got it to take the right payment and hopefully to ship to my current address. Expect a normal post tomorrow.

Friday, June 21, 2013

Basic Gun Variations

I have talked about the basic 4 (rifle, pistol, .22, shotgun) before. My basic 4 would be Project AR, a 9mm Glock 19, a Remington 870 and a Ruger 10/22. We also did our Basic Guns series. A person who went that way would get a good used  revolver in .38 or .357 mag, a pump shotgun in 12 gauge, a decent .22 and some sort of rifle like a Mosin Nagant, Bolt 30'06 or lever 30-30.

Today I thought it would be fun to talk about some possible variations from the general basic 4 theme. I have a hard time going below the basic 4 setup and anything less than 3 has some definite limitations but not everyone has the same needs. Here are some possible combinations of between 2-4 guns that will potentially meet different needs. In no particular order here we go:

Defensive Minimalist:  The setup is a handgun like a .38 or 9mm and a pump 12 gauge with an 18.5-21 inch barrel. This person thinks it is prudent to have weapons around but is not a hunter or shooting enthusiast.This person has a pistol for the house or CCW and a shotgun in case of a break in or there is some sort of riot or disaster. Realistically for a normal person who doesn't hunt or shoot this setup is sufficient. The downside is that Joe cannot really reach out and touch somebody if needed and the lack of a .22.

Guerilla: AR-15 and Glock 9mm. To me both choices are very clear (especially the AR in 5.56 due to logistics) though other semi automatic pistol and a military pattern rifle combinations could work. A good ole 7.62x39 AK 47 and an M&P .40 or a mighty .308 'Battle Rifle" and a .45acp 1911 would be fine also though the logistics would be a bit harder. The downside is that Mr Wanna Be G really needs a .22 and the versatility of a shotgun would be nice also.

Joe 6 Pack Hunter: Joe has a centerfire hunting rifle, could be a .243 or a .308 or whatever depending on the environment and the game he hunts. He has a full sized revolver like a .357 mag or .44. and a .22 rifle. Joes rifle does hunting duty and his revolver is carried in the woods and serves as a house or truck gun. (Note If Joe is in bird territory his 3rd gun would be a shotgun instead of a .22lr.) The downside is Joes big ole wheel gun is too big to realistically conceal and he could use the versatility of a shotgun.

Dave Canterburyesque Woodsman: A Mosin Nagant M44 in 7.62x54R, a 12 gauge single shot or pump shotgun and a .22lr revolver.The downside of this setup is that it lacks a center fire pistol, also if you go the single shot 12 gauge route there is not a viable close quarters (under 50 meters) defensive weapon present.

Defensive/ Tactical Well Set Up: CCW pistol, tactical pistol (both compatible ex Glock 9mm M&P .40, etc), AR-15, precision rifle. The main downside of this setup is not having a .22lr.

Anyway those are some possible variations of the Basic 4. They all have strengths as well as downsides that may work well for different people. Also it is Friday gun rambling day so this is time to talk guns. Your thoughts are always welcome.

Related Posts Plugin for WordPress, Blogger...

Popular Posts