Showing posts with label shotgun. Show all posts
Showing posts with label shotgun. Show all posts

Thursday, December 10, 2015

Three Important Homesteading Guns

I find nothing to argue with. Some might note the lack of a .22 but as Pastor Joe Fox has noted aside from shots of ammo you can fit in a coffee cup anything a .22 can do a shotgun can do as well or better.

Even at new prices you could easily buy new solidly brand name guns (Glock, Mossberg/ Rem 870 and Savage bolt gun) and come out at around $1,300. Figure reasonable (not once a year deals) used price would be closer to $1,100. Folks on tight budgets could compromise a bit (Say S&W SDVE, Maverick 88 and Savage Axis and easily come in under a grand, probably under 900.

Sure more cool guns are better but if you are on a budget 3-4 basic guns will do just fine.

Friday, December 4, 2015

Patterning Your Shotgun

I do not currently own a shotgun  but a lot of people have a house gun or old hunting shotgun lying around so this is a worthwhile topic. 

It is important to know how your individual shotgun does with a given load of buckshot. Oddly enough we could both buy Remington 870's on the same day in the same store, shoot the same ammo and get different results. It's weird that way.

Inevitably we will have to discuss ammo type here. Keep it 2 3/4 and buckshot. #4, 1, 00 or OOO, whatever makes you happy. I like #1 though #4 is more common and 00 the most common of all. Have some slugs handy if you need to make a longer or more precise shot. 

The best piece of advice I have ever gotten in the area of shotgun ammo is to go to your local store and buy the little 5 round boxes of 3-4 common types of buckshot. Remington, Winchester, and federal or whatever. Shoot them all for patterns at say 5, 10 and 20 yards then see which your gun likes best. After you know load your gun with that and keep a few extra boxes put back. For economic reasons you will probably end up with a SHTF stash of Seller and Bellot buckshot or those 15rd packs Wally World sells at a good price. I would make sure your gun doesn't hate the bulk pack stuff but it doesn't have to be perfect. If God forbid you have burned through say 50 or a hundred rounds of whatever your gun likes best and all digging in the closet/ garage for that ammo can full of bulk pack stuff you prudently bought when it was still available a slightly less perfect pattern is the least of your concerns.

The topic of pattern comes up in the video. In my mind the biggest thing would be consistency and lack of 'fliers'. If a load is pretty close to or a bit under the general inch of spread a yard rule I would be happy.That would give me a nice vital zone pattern at in home distances and keep it inside the torso at across the yard distances.

Some people get all bent around the axel about keeping patterns super tight. It used to be defensive shotguns with chokes and stuff. Currently Federal's premium Flight Control Buckshot is the hot thing. This is a great load for an LEO with a cruiser gun who wants to push the range they can use buckshot effectively out more. Also if you are a citizen in a restrictive state (or with a restrictive budget) who is left with a shotgun as the only practical option I would look into this. However for a normal citizen's home defense shotgun I do not like it. The reason is that the spread is most of the power of the shotgun. It will probably be dark, they will be moving and so will you. Spread gives more chances of hitting something vital at close ranges.

While slugs have a role I like buckshot for close range defensive type work. That being said I do not own an HD shotgun and am using my AR-15 instead. At some point, probably during the next gun run when they are still widely available I will get another 870. I think my first project 870 (plane Jane with long and short barrels) was a lot closer to the truth than the more recent one with the ghost ring sights and all that stuff.


Saturday, August 15, 2015

870 Police Sold!

Sold my 870P yesterday. Honestly I realized a couple weeks ago the right answer for a home defense long gun was my AR-15. It's illuminated reticle 1x scope is pretty handy in the dark too, also the 30 rd capacity is nice. Those coupled with minimal recoil and a round that manages penetration about as well as any sufficient cartridge make it IMO the ideal house gun. The only better option would be a 10.5in SBR but I'm not willing to go through the hoops at this point.

Picture semi related. My AR-15.
Sorry it is sideways but I could not figure out how to turn it. Anyway this is my 14.5in BCM middy with BCM gunfighter CH and Battle Comp. As to aftermarket parts I put a surefire light on it, a magpul buttstock, Magpul MBUS, VTAC sling, Midwest Industries free floating rail and a Burris 1-4x MTAC with a LaRue quick detach mount. If I have a choice this gun would come to war with me for sure. As a second I would bring my FAL but this one is my main rifle.

Honestly I can not think of a tactical scenario where I would take the 870P over my AR.   I think at some fundamental level a shotgun set up specifically for fighting is kind of missing the point, kind of like setting up a leatherman to be a fighting knife. What I mean by this is that the shotguns biggest strength is versatility. Given an appropriate selection of ammunition a shotgun can appropriately take little birdies, small game, pests, as well as medium to large game including 2 legged predators inside 100 meters or so. No other single gun can do that. However IMO setting up a dedicated fighting shotgun greatly hinders the versatility that makes the shotgun so useful.

The only exception is for folks in non free states who can not have modern military pattern rifles. That being said I am not in that situation and will not be at least for a couple more years.

On the plus side of this gun adventure if you buy guns (particularly used ones) at reasonable prices and sell/ trade them in a non desperate 'OMG I have to pay rent tomorrow of I get evicted so I'll take $300 for a gun worth $500'  way you can get almost all of your money back or even make money. I say almost all because for me and I would say most functional adults if I lose $20 on a $500 gun after trying a new concept and disregarding it that is a non issue. However for every time I have lost $20 there was another I have made a whole lot more.

Without getting into details as of late I have made a couple of very good deals. The first I honestly made my profit at the purchase of the item I ended up trading. Basically I got a smoking deal on a BCM AR pistol upper then made it into a pistol. Decided the positives of the pistol did not outweigh the negatives and traded it. Did great there. As to the 870P I responded to a persons add but wasn't desperate. I did good on the deal.

While I hate to admit it the last version of the seemingly continuous Protect 870 (a Plane Jane 870 with standard 28in vented barrel and 18.5in riot barrel) was a lot closer to what I view as the truth than the 870P. If the 870P didn't have ghost ring sites I would have just bought a long barrel and been good but what can ya do.

Down the road I will buy another shotgun. However since I do not hunt, am using my AR as a house gun and really just own a shotgun for general principle or potential future use if I decide to get into those activities (which I keep meaning to do but well job, family, life, etc) there is not a big rush. I will probably wait till winter when down on their luck people sell off hunting shotguns to pay for pre/ after Christmas bills.

I think my future go to 870 will be a basic express model. I will refinish it if the finish is beat as that is  weak point in that model. I will have a long barrel for hunting or sporting (which I have been meaning to try it seems fun) and a short barrel in case it needs to double as a HD gun. The exception would be if I could get one with a 20-22in barrel that took chokes which would actually be ideal. I will set up the shotgun to have a light, a sling and hold some ammo on board.

Or I might just bin the whole defense side and buy a single shot 12 gauge in case I need to hunt small game or whatever.


Sunday, February 1, 2015


Watched the Super Bowl. Was semi interested as the Seahawks were playing and it was a fine excuse to do nothing all day, have early cocktails on Sunday and appetizers for dinner. It was good till the end which sucked. Why would you pass on 3rd and 1? At least give the run a shot then go for the hail marry. Doubly so when you heck a beast of a power running back who could probably push a semi truck 1 measly yard. That sucked.

Looked at my blog stats and for some weird reason Trimming Things Down- EAA Bounty Hunter SS 12 Gauge Sold got a bunch of hits. Why I really don't know. Definitely glad I sold that shotgun. It just didn't make much sense as a practical weapon unless I was in a place (like most of Europe) where I couldn't have a pump shotgun. If that was the case I would have 3 or more double barrel shotguns with auto ejectors that worked and the most practical rifle I could own. Anyway....

For my foreseeable future I will confine the shotgun collection to various 870's and single shot New England/ H&R 12 gauges. That being said I am good to go on shotguns. Presuming things stay more or less normal I have, at least in pencil, planned my next 2 years gun purchases. This year I will build some sort of AR, buy some ammo and just maybe get another pistol (either a little .380 or another Glock to put away) or .22 rifle and of course ammo. Next year I would like to acquire some sort of semi auto mag fed .308 and whichever of the pistol or .22 rifle didn't get purchased this year. The only real exception I can see would be if a pretty good deal on an H&R singe shot or plane jane  Maverick 88/ Mossberg 500A fell into my lap.

The option I wanted to work for the Kahr was a bust. I did some thinking and realized the 642 was where my energy, along the deep concealment line of effort, needed to go. They are a very traditional deep concealment/ pocket carry handgun so it SHOULD work. Looking back at Alexander Wolfe's Snub Nose Round Up I decided to try a Safariland pocket holster. Also wanted to have a real quality IWB leather holster. Thankfully to help get this out of the conceptual phase I happened to have an amazon gift card. I figured why not. Those two holsters will show up soon enough. I really hope this will crack the code on my problem.

Something fell into my lap that I had to jump on. It was a smoking deal on for an ever so slightly used piece of professional grade hardware at 50-60% of retail price. Not sure exactly where that will land so I'm going to stay quiet about specifics. I had planned to purchase a case of .223/5.56 soon but that is going to get bumped down the road a couple months.

Last month I ran/ rucked 22 miles. That was not good. In February I want to focus on moving more, do better, and be closer to 35 or maybe 40 miles.

Anyway that is about all I can think of to talk about.

Saturday, December 6, 2014

Pic Post- Project 870

Project 870. I had it out to do a couple things. The original velcro I used was not sufficient for the HSGI shot cards and was peeling off. I replaced it with quality Velcro brand industrial Velcro. Also needed to touch up the super classy finish in a couple spots. While it was out I took a picture. 

I am happy with the configuration except the sling. Not sure if I'll bother with it but would like to mount the sling further back on the butt. Also some day I might get it professionally refinished.

Thursday, February 27, 2014

Project 870 is Complete!!!

Initially I planned to just do the gloss clear coat over the newly cut wood. So I covered up the rest and of course the metal parts that would inevitably get some over spray.

Then I decided what the heck, might as well do the whole thing. Maybe bring some new shine to that tired old wood.

 After spraying down the forend I went ahead and did the stock as well.
Project 870 reassembled and complete. It's loaded with 6 rounds of buckshot. Additionally there are 7 more rounds of buckshot on the sidesaddle and 7 slugs on the butt. There is a lot of hearty debate about types of buckshot. Honestly any load of 2 3/4in BUCKSHOT is just fine. Some folks will argue for bird shot as a self defense load but they are either using overly narrow almost canned scenarios or are fools. Sure birdshot will work at 2 feet but so will a machete. The point of firearms is to be able to send projectiles at people some distance from us in order to harm them before they could go all stabby with a knife or whatever.

00 buck is the gold standard of penetration but it doesn't have as many pellets as some might like. #4 buck has plenty of pellets but might not consistently penetrate enough. #1 buck is probably the best overall option. Honestly in my mind any of those options are perfectly valid. In particular I think Federal's new Flight Control Buckshot shows a lot of promise really pushing the scatter gun's realistic range out another 10 yards or so into the 40 meter range. When funds are available I will get some of that stuff, ideally the #1 if I can find it. 

Got fighting shotgun?

Tuesday, February 25, 2014

Project 870 Forend Trimming Part 1

So it was time to finally close out Project 870. To recap I need to trim up the express forend so it does not overlap the receiver in order to allow a shotshell card to go there.
 I unloaded, cleared then disassembled the shotgun and took off the part in question. Minor issue, the original wood forend is stuck. Given that any way I might force it off could well break said forend I figured if I try cutting it while in place worse case it ends up broken anyway. Make sense?
 If you look carefully just forward of the curve on the top of the forend you will see the pencil mark I made where it needs to get cut. That is my highly scientific method of marking it.

Did the cutting with a handheld finish saw I had lying around from some DIY home improvement projects. After cutting it I carefully used a belt sander to get it even and sort of smooth out the outside edge. Aside from a minor nick on the wood on each side (saw slipps, bring it back down in the wrong spot, viola nasty mark on the wood.) After the belt sander I smoothed it out a little bit with some 220 by hand.

The end result isn't perfect but it is good enough for an all go no show shotgun I refinished with spray paint.
Next comes stain, gloss and reassembly.

Saturday, February 1, 2014

Project 870 Almost Complete!!!

This is where it all started. A Remington 870 Police Magnum wearing express furniture. Best I can tell this gun pulled Cruiser duty for the Kentucky state Police, was sold probably through Bud K then ended up in the Desert. That is where it ended up being saved from a life of neglect and generally not being owned by yours truly.

I was pretty annoyed with the guy that day. Drive for a ways to meet him and it turns out he was not entirely honest about the guns condition. Ended up leaving with the gun and a couple more 20's than I planned. A combination of cruiser duty and lack of maintenance in that guys care left the finish in terrible shape. It looks just fine at 15 feet but up close you can see significant discoloration and oxidization. The gun will almost surely rust if not slathered in oil. So after test firing it I kept the gun slathered in oil for awhile.

I thought about getting it professionally Keracoted or something. However the cost of that PLUS what I wanted to do to the gun was slightly prohibitive. Just more than I wanted to spend.

Once I got down here I wanted to get this project done so it could be our home defense long gun. The reason for that is largely legal in nature. Guns are common all over the South and non hippie parts of the West. However in particular shotguns are very common in Louisiana. The combination of duck hunting as well as short engagement ranges due to line of site for all game make them particularly handy guns down here. If I have to shoot somebody I would prefer to do it with a gun that is the same or very similar to ones in the prosecutor, judge and juries safe/ cabinet/ closet.

While I prefer an AR of the M4 flavor for close up work this advantage to the shotgun is considerable. Also while I like the M4 better a short barreled pump shotgun is amply capable of any home defense long gun task. There is the added benefit that if something happens I am, at least temporarily, losing a shotgun package worth $500 not an AR that all said and done I probably have 2k into.

Another consideration is that I am far more willing to carry said $500 shotgun as a "truck gun" than a semi automatic rifle. Even if it's an AR/ AK/ FAL you got a great deal on back when those were available it is still important to consider replacement cost. The pump gun is about the bar of value I am willing to risk potential theft of on a trip during normal times.

So my philosophy of use for this project is a home defense shotgun that can also serve as a 'truck gun'. I want to use quality components and do it right but budget is a consideration. First as Alexander Wolfe noted if you get much above the $600 range you are pushing hard on decent entry level AR-15's. Of course those would need ancillary gear like a sling, mags and lights too so upping it to $800 is probably more realistic.

Depending on your budget it is entirely possible to make a $2,500+ fighting shotgun. We are a consumerist society and there is nothing wrong with that. However as American Mercenary noted you can pay Ferrari money for a Fiat in projects or gun builds.

In my mind one of the biggest benefits of the pump shotgun is that they are realistically affordable for anybody but homeless drug addicts. I'm not saying everybody can afford to spend $300ish on a used Remington 870/ Mossberg 500 today but with a little planning and some saving they can afford one in a reasonable amount of time.

We could have a hearty discussion about the benefits of both Rem and Moss platforms. Both are very rugged. The plane Jane Mossberg 500's and their off brand Maverick 88's are cheaper than Remingtons so they offer more value. Then again you have a lot more parts and accessory support with the Remington. I'll close this phase of the discussion by saying they are both fine. Pick one type and buy 10 of them.

As I got to dreaming/ window shopping for this project TEOTWAWKI Blog's excellent Project 590A1. Alexander Wolfe does a great job on research and testing to find the best gear and setup for a particular gun.

So anyway I wanted to get this done in 2014. Running the math if I did the finish myself it wouldn't really cost that much money. Thankfully 'H' recommended Alumahyde II vs plain old spray paint. So I figured out my plan. Some money came in and I ordered the stuff. It showed up in a few days.
The biggest piece of this project was the refinishing for sure. Thankfully Brownells has a series of videos 1, 2, 3, etc. After some reading it seems that preparation is at least as important as the spraying.

First I disassembled the gun. Since I was putting on a sling mount I had to take the stock off anyway so I just did it then instead of covering up the stock with tape and a plastic bag or something.
I cleaned the gun and degreased it. Since I'd been using the 'wetter the better' theory of gun maintenance that took some doing.

Next I used masking tape to cover up the parts I didn't want to paint. No pics of this but I covered the trigger guard and the front sight as well as both ends of the barrel. Filled the receiver with used paper towels from the cleaning then taped them into place.
It was too cold to paint in the garage but since I had the place to myself there were options. It was also a happy accident that I had a bunch of scrap carpet lying around. Laid 2 big pieces down on the kitchen floor (the easiest to clean worst case) as a ground cloth. Brought in a lawn/ patio chair that already had a bit of paint on it from another project to lean the pieces on.

I did the sling mount so it would match.

Then I painted. Overall it went pretty well. The only real sad face was a run on the barrel I foolishly tried to wipe off with a paper towel. It smeared and was really unattractive.
I tried painting over it but that didn't work. Ended up just sanding that part down and repainting. That time went better. At least enough so that I decided not to try my luck messing with it anymore.

This brings us to a point of discussion. I simply was not in a hurry to put the amount of cash into this gun to get it professionally refinished. That meant doing it myself. Do it yourself projects well, have do it yourself results. I'd say the shotgun looks fine but you will not mistake it for being professionally finished. Honestly I am OK with this. After some deliberation on the matter I figured worst case if I hate the paint job I can get it redone professionally later or try again myself. The advantage of destroying a gun's original finish (or getting one that is rough anyway) is that you can't do it twice. Sort of like murder after the first one the rest are free. 

I let the parts dry overnight then put it back together. In doing so I installed the GG&G sling mount and Elzetta light mount with a streamlight light I was using as my handheld tactical type light. Got to replace that now I guess.

After some consideration I decided to replace the old generic 5 shot neoprene shotshell holder with an Essetac card. Just pulled it off, slapped some velcro tape on and then a card on top. Not 100% how durable the velcro I got from the hardware store will be. Worst case I'll order a bigger heavier duty piece later if needed.
When I went to put a card on the side of the receiver I noticed the standard 870 Express forend goes too far back onto the receiver for a card to fit. That led to a Bleg on where to find another oneCommander Zero, the great American survivalist he is had a spare black plastic one lying around. He sent it my way along with a few other goodies gratis. So sometime in the near future I'll be swapping that out and hopefully getting the sidesaddle card put on. I really want both because there is a decent chance if I grab this gun it'll be 3am and I'll be wearing running shorts so all the rounds I'll have will be on the gun. Sure it sits by my cobbled together shotgun fighting load, which I will discuss in a future post but I might not have time for that so more rounds on the gun the better.

I took it out for a quick test fire to make sure it still goes bang. It still does. So now it is loaded up and in the Sentry Safe Home Defender with the Glock.

Pleased to say that Project 870 is finally done or at least within spitting distance of done after the forend swap and sidesaddle card installation. Total expenditure was roughly $500. Would like to get an SOE shotgun micro rig to go with it but am not in any particular hurry to do so. As I get a bit more experience with the different new pieces I may write about them individually.


Edited to include: I went to swap out the forend this afternoon. Before taking off the Essetac light mount, the extension and barrel I decided on a lark to lay the new plastic forend Zero sent me on top of the old one. They look identical in size. So now I'm looking at just taking a finish saw to the wood forend to cut it down. Worst case on that the 870 Express wood furniture is dirt cheap so if I ruin it that is fine. Thanks to Zero I'd have a functional forend for the duration. It's either that or just buy a shorty plastic forend like the Magpul, Hogue or whatever. Do have a couple ebay auctions pending for dirty cheap 870P furniture but I'm not too optimistic about any of them. Going to sleep on it before doing anything I cannot take back. So finishing this project is slightly stalled. Story of my life.

Saturday, January 25, 2014

Remington 870 Police Wood Forend Bleg

I haven't really talked about it but Project 870 is almost done. Don't worry I took pictures and will talk about each phase of assembly as well as the concept of use behind the overall project in 2-3 posts coming shortly.Was just too busy today to get to it.

However I ran into a problem. When I went to mount the velcro for the essetac card that I plan to use as a sidesaddle I ran into an issue. My standard 870 wood forend comes over the receiver by about 2 inches. This means no can haz card or side saddle which makes me sad.

I don't especially want to take a saw to the wood I've got. Sure I could do it but I do not have the equipment or expertise to make it look anything but bubba made.

Yes I know that for $20-30 bucks I can get some sort of plastic forend. That is not what I want to do. Given that I've saved a few bucks so far on the project I'm willing to pay a bit to finish it right. Did some research and it looks like I need an 870 Police wood forend. I'd rather do that then take a saw to the forend I have, sand it and try to finish it to not look like doo doo which I will still try before getting a hogue overmolded black stock or a magpul one.

Or if it turns out to be financially insane or a total PITA I will just scrap the receiver mounted card for now but I really do not like that option. Having 21 rounds on the gun appeals to me a lot. Given that I would quite possibly be nekid except running shorts and have not learned to store shotgun shells between my butt cheeks I'd like more rounds on the gun than less. I want to find a setup that works.

Assistance in finding a sanely priced 870 Police forend would be greatly appreciated.Used in good or even high end fair condition is fine. Can swap stuff or pay cash.

Pachmayr Vindicator Pistol Grip

Packmayr Vindicator pistol grip at Brownells.If I recall a regular commenter (Aesop?) mentioned how they wanted one of these. For whatever it is worth I advice against pistol grips on shotguns except for use in breaching or if length considerations mean a shotty with a real stock will not work but IIRC somebody wanted one so I'm mentioning that Brownells has them. Anyway there us the info, do with it what you will.

Friday, January 24, 2014

Fighting Load Contest Update

Today I am going to do an update on our Fighting Load Contest . To make sure we are on the same page and give our supportive advertisers the linkeage that gets you all prizes I will post the usual blurb.

We'll be talking chest rigs and battle belts as well as guns and get home bags/ assault packs. Get yours together to win some great prizes including:
1st: Blackhawk 3 day Assault Pack ($90) AND a $50 gift certificate from ($50 value) plus 2 copies of The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
2nd: HERC stove from Titan Ready Water ($169 value) plus The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
Note: Prizes 1 and 2 are really closely matched. As such the overall winner can pick the Lucky Gunner stuff OR the HERC. 2nd place gets what is left. 2 books will go to #1 and 1 book to #2.
3rd Place: 3 Sport Berkey Water Bottles donated by LPC Survival ($69 value)
4th Place:  A Lifestraw donated by Camping Survival ($20 value)
5th Place: A pair of Gyver Gear survival tin's
6th Place: The Western Front (hardcopy) or 3x e books by Archer Garrett.
Wildcard: This one goes to whoever I want to give it to for whatever reason I feel like. It will be a grab bag donated by yours truly. The exact makeup is TBD depending on what I have lying around  and may include books, gear, medical stuff or even a couple silver dimes. ($30+  value).

For a good example of a post reference my EDC Contest entry. Those should give you a good idea what type of thing I'm looking for. I will probably do a full fighting load post some time before the contest is over.

 Voting will start after the last entry is shown on the blog. Voting will run for about a week and will decide the winner's who get the prizes.
Read all the details here

To the update part. First I have decided to extend the length of the contest to 1 March. The reason for this is that putting these posts together is a lot more involved than one might imagine. For the Every Day Carry Contest you could pretty much do a pocket dump then take a picture and be done. This requires more time to put together an entry. 

Also realistically many people do not actually have their stuff fully set up and together. They might have most of the gear and some ideas on what they could use for which situations but it's not actually a cohesive system. I would submit that you need to be able to get to this sort of setup pretty quickly for it to actually be useful in an emergency. Going to grab your setup from the closet and the rifle from the safe is reasonable but spending 3 hours digging up pouches, finding which ammo can has the ammo you need, loading mags, attaching pouches to whatever system you have, finding little stuff like knives and compasses is not realistic. 

 One fringe benefit of entering this contest is that it is a forcing function to actually get your stuff together!  

 Second I wanted to let J, J and Archer Garret know that I have their posts in my email. A lesson I learned from last time is that I put the post in then let the person know when it will be shown at the same time. This helps me avoid missing a post or getting screwed up in numbering. The downside is that if I am too busy to get the post up for  a few days a guy could think it was forgotten. 

So anyway to recap the length of the contest has been extended to 1 March and over the next week or two you will see 3 more posts.  

Monday, January 20, 2014

Fighting Load Contest Entry #5 Joe

Today I am proud to bring Entry #5 of our Fighting Load Contest by Joe

We'll be talking chest rigs and battle belts as well as guns and get home bags/ assault packs. Get yours together to win some great prizes including:
1st: Blackhawk 3 day Assault Pack ($90) AND a $50 gift certificate from ($50 value) plus 2 copies of The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
2nd: HERC stove from Titan Ready Water ($169 value) plus The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
Note: Prizes 1 and 2 are really closely matched. As such the overall winner can pick the Lucky Gunner stuff OR the HERC. 2nd place gets what is left. 2 books will go to #1 and 1 book to #2.
3rd Place: 3 Sport Berkey Water Bottles donated by LPC Survival ($69 value)
4th Place:  A Lifestraw donated by Camping Survival ($20 value)
5th Place: A pair of Gyver Gear survival tin's
6th Place: The Western Front (hardcopy) or 3x e books by Archer Garrett.
Wildcard: This one goes to whoever I want to give it to for whatever reason I feel like. It will be a grab bag donated by yours truly. The exact makeup is TBD depending on what I have lying around  and may include books, gear, medical stuff or even a couple silver dimes. ($30+  value).

For a good example of a post reference my EDC Contest entry. Those should give you a good idea what type of thing I'm looking for. I will probably do a full fighting load post some time before the contest is over.

The contest is going to run from today 16 December to  around 1 February. Voting will start after the last entry is shown on the blog. Voting will run for about a week and will decide the winner's who get the prizes.
Read all the details here

This is taking off a bit slower than I wanted. Depending on demand maybe it will last longer but you should still get your entry in ASAP.

Onto the Entry

 This is just a start as I am working on this to get it where I want it. To start off  on my belt I have a Glock in leather  holster also on side is my 22 mag revolver , My Mossberg 500 20 gauge is slung. I like the 20 over  for less recoil and easier targeting.

 My vest is a voodoo tac that was pretty cheap but fits well and as of now still have a little room left. On the back I have a e cheap o machete with a 10x10 tarp wrapped around.  Also in back are 3 mre’,s  2 life straws, gloves and 2000 rounds of 22  ammo. 
 On the front starting on the left I have a basic lock pic set small hand held gun cleaning kit flashlight fork and spoon 3 energy bars pocket knife Mylar blanket snare wire 2 flares marker and note pads  tool and lighter 75 yards of 550 cord fixed blade knife black grip tape large black triangular wrap 1911 and 3 extra magazines , small med pack. 

In small med pack I have a small stich pack with quick clout and basic bandages and small spray bottle of alcohol.
One of the problems I have is I do not have enough magazines so I am forced to carry all my extra ammo in my 2 large side pockets. So far this is my set up but is still a work in progress.     
 End Entry
Ryan here, First of all I would like to thank Joe for playing. It takes some guts to show a whole bunch of folks your gear, especially if it isn't super high dollar type stuff. 
 There is a lot to like about this set up. First a shotgun and a Glock is a hard setup to beat. This is our second such entry though the first was a 12 gauge not a 20. As I think back through this contest if I recall everybody has been carrying some form of a Glock with 9 slightly leading .40 short and weak.  
 I definitely like that this setup includes some survival gear, a machete, cordage and a tarp is a darn good start there.  The survival part of this setup is pretty well thought out, hard to argue with any of it. The inclusion of food and medical stuff is also very prudent. I like that a lot.

Honestly the 3 handgun thing is throwing me for a bit of a loop. I could certainly see a person carrying some sort of a second handgun especially if it was smaller and stashed someplace. Like a little .38 or baby glock or whatever. However short of John Rourke from The Survivalist who carried 4  I do not personally know of anybody who carries more than 2 handguns. To compound the 3 handgun discussion they all take different ammo and if applicable mags.

One could argue for the .22lr to get game or whatever but in my mind your primary is the ultimate hunt everything gun, a shotgun. If meat getting was a goal my first move would be to add 25 rounds of #4 shot, 5 rounds of OO and 5 slugs to the load out for hunting, beyond whatever you normally carry, that should do you for awhile. 
Honestly carrying a 1911 AND a Glock I don't really get. If you had a Glock on your hip and a compatible baby Glock (or a similar 2 gun 1911 setup) on your ankle or stashed someplace I could see it.  I would pick either centerfire handgun (well I'd pick the Glock but that is me) and just stick with it. Keep the .22 or not I don't have strong feelings about that one. However since this load out doesn't have to please me it is perfectly acceptable to take my thoughts with equal weight as you might any other unsolicited advice.
 Anyway those are my thoughts on this setup. A lot to like and one thing I don't quite get. All in all that is pretty darn good. 

Saturday, January 18, 2014

Saturday Night Ramblings

I found myself in Walmart the other day. Needed a haircut and some light work on the family hauler and there is only one place to do both of those things around here. Turns out everybody else had the same idea! So I was waiting for both things and looking at the ammo situation.

It was actually pretty good. Lots of .223, 7.62x39, .308 and of course all the shotgun shells and hunting type calibers you could want. A guy was talking to the dude working behind the counter. Guy didn't now what type of ammo his SKS shot but wanted to buy some. Dude said 7.62x54R but Guy was not exactly convinced. I said it was 7.62x39. Walmart Dude was happy somebody else was dealing with his problem. Guy was not entirely convinced. He asked if I was sure to which I replied that I was. He asked the same question a similar way. I said I was absolutely positive and would bet him a thousand dollars cash on the matter. Guy was convinced. That narrowed it down to caliber. Dude had both steel cased (Wolf I think) and brass cased ammo. Guy wasn't sure about the difference.

That lead to a 2 minute discussion. Since Guy didn't reload (thank God!) we agreed steel cased would suit his needs at a much more agreeable price. Guy bought 3 boxes and we both went about our days.

Today I had to run some errands and ended up at a surplus store. Got a castle nut wrench which I am long overdue for purchasing and a used USGI wool blanket, picked up the blanket for $10 which I was pretty happy with. After that I went to scout out a place to do some camping. It looks good. In my time driving around the woods here I definitely realized the longest line of site you get here is under 200 meters with under 100 being more common. That's bumped my desire to acquire a precision bolt action rifle, lately boosted by the book I am currently reading Point of Impact (Thanks Zero and Harry Flashman!), down a big notch. Short of improbable shots down a strait road, in a field, etc Project AR could easily dominate any shooting tasks here, hell an iron sighted 30-30 would do around 90% of it just fine and a shotgun could cover 70% or so.

I may go camping tomorrow but it depends on how far I get on a project at home. As a kid and teenager I absolutely loved camping. I went at least monthly forever and for multiple years about every other weekend. Then I joined the Army and subsequently started sleeping outside all the time for work it ceased to be any fun. Since then I could probably count the amount of times I've slept outside on the ground, outside of work,  on one hand. Each time involved family so I was pretty much stuck. Now I am for better or worse at a place in my career where I have been removed from that sort of thing for awhile. I sort of miss it.

That is good because incidentally Walker seems to be expressing an interest in camping. He went with Mother in Law in the drive way a week or so back. Except he noted it wasn't real camping because "the truck didn't move and we didn't sleep in a tent" (She has a camper and it was going to be 20 that night) but he seemed to have fun all the same. So maybe we'll start doing some of that in the yard then ultimately out and about. He is getting towards the right age to start doing more outside stuff. We've got the gear so that is not an issue. Anyway we will see where that goes.

Today while going over my BOB I made some changes. Added a few pouches to give me more readily accessible space. Aside from that mostly it was transitioning to a winter setup admittedly a bit late. Added a pair (top/ bottom) of silk weight long underwear and a wool sweater. I took out a waffle top that had been my sole piece of cold weather gear (for summer in AZ). Swapped a desert pattern goretex for a multicam shell to better fit the area. Also added a pair of wool gloves. If I am smart in the spring when I ditch that stuff I'll put it all in a box or bag to make the transition easy in the future.

I realized some holes that need to be filled today going through our gear. They are going to be listed not so much for you but so I can remember in a month or whatever when I want to fill them:
3x wide mouth stainless steel water bottles (1x ghb, 1x everyday 1x wifey)
1x nesting cup for 1q bottle with carry pouch
3x Louisiana state maps (or a western central LA type map if I can fine one larger than parish but below state sized)
3x eastern Texas maps if available
1x trowel
2 pair wool socks
a kydex belt holster that will hold a Glock 9 with a light yet be reasonably concealable. The big Safariland is great for a battle belt, duty, OC role but I'd like to have a holster (raven concealment, bravo concealment, etc) that could hide under an oversized shirt or a sweatshirt. Should get a pair of good mag pouches along with it.

Tomorrow or the next day I'm going on a monster rant about Bushcrafting. I think bushcrafting is to camping what crossfit is to exercise. They do so many good things but also do some really silly things and take it all so seriously. That should be a fun talk.

I pulled the trigger and ordered the stuff for Project 870. Brownells matte black Alumahyde, Elzetta light mount, GG&G rear sling mount and a half dozen essetac cards. I can procure a light locally and have some slings in my box o gun junk. Think I ultimately want to use a Magpul MS3 to have the 2-1 capability but I'm not sure. Looking forward to getting that all set up.

Realized that one of my not explicitly defined but over arching goals for this year is to have all the guns I currently own set up how I want them to be. Of course there is some evolution as new products come out, we test stuff, yadda yadda yadda but instead of buying another gun or piece of kit I want to get the stuff I have all squared away.

Got some Lone Star beer the other day. One of those cliche Texas things I had to try. It is pretty good straddling the line of being flavorful without too heavy or busy.

Anyway I'm bored of writing now so it's time to wrap this up. Talk to you all later.

Thursday, January 16, 2014

Fighting Load Contest Entry #4 Don in East Texas

Today I am proud to bring Entry #4 of our Fighting Load Contest by Don in

We'll be talking chest rigs and battle belts as well as guns and get home bags/ assault packs. Get yours together to win some great prizes including:
1st: Blackhawk 3 day Assault Pack ($90) AND a $50 gift certificate from ($50 value) plus 2 copies of The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
2nd: HERC stove from Titan Ready Water ($169 value) plus The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
Note: Prizes 1 and 2 are really closely matched. As such the overall winner can pick the Lucky Gunner stuff OR the HERC. 2nd place gets what is left. 2 books will go to #1 and 1 book to #2.
3rd Place: 3 Sport Berkey Water Bottles donated by LPC Survival ($69 value)
4th Place:  A Lifestraw donated by Camping Survival ($20 value)
5th Place: A pair of Gyver Gear survival tin's
6th Place: The Western Front (hardcopy) or 3x e books by Archer Garrett.
Wildcard: This one goes to whoever I want to give it to for whatever reason I feel like. It will be a grab bag donated by yours truly. The exact makeup is TBD depending on what I have lying around  and may include books, gear, medical stuff or even a couple silver dimes. ($30+  value).

For a good example of a post reference my EDC Contest entry. Those should give you a good idea what type of thing I'm looking for. I will probably do a full fighting load post some time before the contest is over.

The contest is going to run from today 16 December to  around 1 February. Voting will start after the last entry is shown on the blog. Voting will run for about a week and will decide the winner's who get the prizes.
Read all the details here

This is taking off a bit slower than I wanted. Depending on demand maybe it will last longer but you should still get your entry in ASAP.

Onto the Entry 

My home defense gun is a Mossberg 12 gauge and my side arm is a Glock 17.  Most of my rig is very inexpensive.  It is as follows-

-Used everyday leather belt
1- shotgun shell holder 10 x 2
2-Glock 17
3-tai gear shoulder holster attached to belt
4-old binocular case repurposed for med gear (gauze, quick clot, tape and super glue)
5-Midland handheld CB radio set to EMS/LEO/Fire first responder channel
6-Magazine pouch with 2 Glock 17 mags
7-Mora #3 knife (larger version of #2 model, great knife)
8-Energizer High Lumen flashlight
9-Mora # 2 knife
10- mag pouch with 33 round Glock magazine, barely fits.

My flashlight is separate because I like to keep everything on my guns stock.  If I defend myself one day I don't want some lawyer showing a jury my super tactical lighted shotgun modified for zombies.  I also want to be able to quickly shine the light without aiming a firearm at someone.  I am okay with a shell sleeve though.  With the shells in the shotgun, the sleeve, and the two belt shell carriers I have 30 rounds for the shotgun with different projectiles.  Lots of 00 Buck, some slugs, and a few of these-
3 pellets of 00 Buck and a slug in one shell.  Ouch.  
The Glock is loaded with Federal 124 grain JHP.  With the 18 rounds in the Glock and the three other magazines (one is a 33 rounder) it brings me to 85 9mm rounds.  

Thanks for your service in the Armed Forces, the blog and the contest Ryan, 

-Don in East TX.
End Entry
First of all I would like to take a minute to thank Don for participating in this discussion and the contest.

I think a shotgun, with ancillary stuff to support it and a good pistol is an excellent setup. It can be had at common man type prices which saves a big hit on our pocket books. We get so rifle centric that we forget realistic Joe Everyday gunfights are happening from point blank out to 20, maybe 30 meters if folks start moving. The need to throw hate down on somebody 300m away is handy to have but I would submit probably not necessary to defend home and hearth. If there are any legitimate normal citizen self defense situations past 100 meters I haven't read about them.
Best I can tell this is a shoulder holster with a belt attached so it is one unit. I like the idea of grabbing one item, be it a rig like this, a battle belt, a chest rig or a plate carrier and being ready to go. Spending 10 minutes getting different pieces of gear on when there are strange voices in the living room at 3 am is not realistic. 
Additionally I like that this setup didn't cost a lot of money and I suspect was largely re purposed gear.  It's functional but didn't break the bank. That just goes to show you do not have to spend big money to have functional gear that works which is a lesson too easily forgotten in our consumerist society.
I'm curious about the reasoning behind 2 Mora knives right by each other. One makes fine sense, both are good options but I can't really see why 2, located an inch apart, would be needed. Don if you care to elaborate that would be nice.

As to lights. I think a hand held (not on a weapon) light is important for home defense. That being said it would be hard to effectively wield a shotgun in one hand with a handheld light in the other. Personally my house guns have lights too. I think the risk of making a deadly mistake is too high to not be sure right before choosing to pull the trigger. Having 2 or more lights (1x handheld, others on weapons) gives you options to use depending on the situation.

The CB tuned to the local EMS freq is a really nice touch. I should do that.

Don, Thanks again for playing.

Thoughts on this setup?

Saturday, January 11, 2014

Project 870P Soliciting Input

I got a little bit of money so it's time to dust off the 870P and finally finish this project. Leaning heavily on TEOTWAWKI Blog's Project 590A1 here is what I am looking at:
Paint- DIY flat black. The finish on this gun is terrible so I'm going to rattle can it flat black. Honestly I don't care what it looks like but need a reasonably (more than exposed metal) corrosion resistant finish to be able to use the gun. Will keep the wood, well wood colored for aesthetic as well as social/ legal reasons. I want the gun to look as much like the same pump shotgun every Louisiana resident seems to own 5 of if I have to go to court.
Sling- Single point as of right now till I get a better plan though I may just stick with it. For a house gun honestly a sling isn't THAT important other than that I want one.
Light Mount- Elzetta ZMS
Light- Either a Streamlight or a Surefire G2. A good basic pretty bright light
Ammo carrying (on gun)
Sidesaddle- Essetac shotgun cards.
Buttstock- shot shell carrier generic type
Total this will be something like 21 rounds on the gun.
Ammo carrying (off gun)
2 more essetac cards in my Costa Leg Rig along with 2 pistol reloads and a hand held light. This will probably go on a duty belt with a holster, an IFAK and some zip ties to become the "bump in the night belt".
This will bring the round count to 35 shotgun shells and 3x pistol mags. Plenty for an HD setup in my mind.

A bag with about 35 rounds of loose OOB and 3x 5 rd boxes of slugs. I would like to replace this with a claymore bag (they have 2 pouches and would be perfect for this. If anybody has one to spare I'd love to trade something for it. I would grab this if I was going outside which admittedly is a point where I would think hard about switching back to my AR but who knows, this would be a nice hurricane setup. My shotgun has ghost ring sights so after I confirm zero for slugs it could reach as far as I can see myself shooting anyway.

To the ammo discussion. There are lots of options but as I've discussed before keep the birdshot for little birds.  I favor #4 BUCK because it gives a whole lot of sufficiently sized projectiles. More holes= more blood loss and more chances to hit the vital die right now body parts. If carrying this gun in the wild I tend to throw in some #4 or #6 shot just in case I need to do a Wilderness Walk Out.

Anyway before I pull the trigger I wanted to get your input. Maybe I'm missing something.


Thursday, January 9, 2014

Tripple Barreled Shotgun PF Edition Intro

TEOTWAWKI Blog teased it now we get a better look

Honestly an 8 pound short barreled shotgun seems like a hard sell to me. That you cannot select the firing order, to fire load A instead of load B based on conditions is also problematic. Heck an 870 with a 28" barrel that HOLDS MORE THAN 3 ROUNDS weight's 7 and change. They haven't mentioned MSRP but last time Chiapa tried to sell the triple threat the MSRP was in loony tunes land. I greatly admire Dave Canterbury and enjoy most of his gear but this does not seem like a winner to me.


Tuesday, December 31, 2013

Pastor Joe Fox on the Mossberg 500

Pastor Joe speaks the truth as always. The Mossberg 500 is a perfectly serviceable shotgun that offers a bit more value than it's main competitor the Remington 870. The price difference will let you get the combo pack with both short and long barrels which is a heck of a setup. I had one that served me faithfully for around a decade before it was traded away in order to transition into only owning Remington 870's. Sort of miss that gun.

I switched to the 870 because it has a smoother action and a larger spare/ aftermarket parts base. The downsides are that 870's are a bit more expensive and the safety is not well placed. Since my shotgun concept of use is not safe heavy I don't mind but if you are concerned with that the Mossberg is a clear choice. Also the lower cost, without sacrificing reliability, of the Mossberg 500 makes it the clear choice for the budget conscious.

In particular the 22 inch removable choke barrel like Pastor Joe has offers a ton of utility. I've heard that setup described as the ultimate shotgun with a lot of validity. Admittedly there is a compromise there but for just 1 shotgun with just 1 barrel to fill a lot of purposes it would be my choice.

The Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are both great guns with different strong points. Both will serve you well in any tasks a shotgun is capable of.

If I was a totalitarian dictator I would mandate that the Remsburg 8750 be made. It would be an 870 with a better, more durable finish and Mossberg style tang safety and front left slide release. Anyway,

Just get a good pump shotgun or twelve of them.

Friday, December 27, 2013

2014 New Years Resolutions- Soliciting Input

I am going to try a different way of breaking these up this year. More by function than anything else.

Edited to include: the stuff in light grey are long shots. By long shots I mean they are not realistically funded based on projected levels of spending. Admittedly this is pretty unscientific since I do not have an exact projected preps budget that is divided amongst different areas. It's probably more of a gut feeling based on the last few years of what I will realistically be able to do than anything else.

Attend a quality defensive pistol course. Scheduled in one for early 2014.
Try to attend an Appleseed if I can. Due to scheduling and other life stuff this is a long shot.
Following said defensive pistol course begin a dry fire regimen.
Shoot more often. Ideally at least monthly but certainly not more than bi monthly.

Finish the 870 P project. Refinish, light, sling, ammo cards, ammo holding system to match.
Get a .30 cal precision rifle almost surely a .308.
I have been semi casually looking for a single shot 12 gauge shotgun to go all Dave Canterbury. If I find one I will buy it.
Set up the big wheel gun the way I want it. Grips, holster, belt, speed loaders, etc all
Put nice grips on the 642 like Alexander Wolfe's.
 Maybe start on an AR pistol

Consumables and minor stuff:
250 rounds buckshot
250 rounds #4 shot
250 slugs
Get a quality kydex outside waistband Glock holster with mag pouches to match
4 Ruger 10/22 BXP mags
A case of 5.56 ammo
A stripped AR-15 lower receiver
Long shot a case of 9mm FMJ and a second case of 5.56 ammo
10 each PMAGs
 6x Glock 17 mags
I can always use another 10/22 or a Glock 19 but those are big time long shots.

Run more, keeping better track of it. Maybe do a marathon or something.
Keep up a decent weight lifting regimen with hard circuit based body weight type stuff.
Generally keep on doing good things

Break in all extra boots that are currently accessible.
Not sure exactly where this fits but I want to firm up our heavy (vehicle) bug out packing list then have that stuff ready to go. Also continue developing all of our systems
Purchase a small enclosed trailer. 

Skills: Get a ham radio license
Get better with HTLM and web coding stuff (any advice would be great)

Get a ham radio, probably one of the little Baeofong (spelling) setups to start.
Get a set of 2 (4 would be better) good FRS radios with head sets. I have a pair in storage that might work but I've got to test them.
Get a scanner 

Keep building our food supply to the interim goal of having a year's worth for 4 people
Get chickens
Start growing some herbs n stuff. Maybe sprouts too.

Continue to improve our cache situation
Work to develop primitive skills
Pick up another full tang medium sized survival/ general purpose knife or maybe two plus stuff to round out some of the redundant parts of my various kits
Get 3-4 more wool blankets

Alternative Energy:
Skills: Use the stuff we have more to figure out how to make it work for our needs. This includes a good plan for charging Wifey's smart phone on the go.

Stuff : Wifey mentioned wanting to get a generator before hurricane season. We are far enough North in Louisiana so as to avoid utter destruction but can definitely lose power. A buddy up here lost power for a week during Rita. This worried Wifey. So we might just get a generator. Probably an EU 2000 like Zero has.

Stashing a half dozen or so military gas cans would be nice. Enough gas to completely fill up both our vehicles twice and run a genny enough to keep the freezer cold, charge batteries and watch a bit of news for at least 2 weeks (a month would be better) would be great. Got to do some math on that one.

That's what I have planned for this coming year. If there are any major changes as things calm down I'll publish a final draft, otherwise I'll run with this one.

What do you plan to do?

Sunday, December 15, 2013

RE: Hoss USMC on the FBI Miami 86 Gunfight

This case is very interesting. I absolutely agree with Hoss on the importance of using cover. If nothing else like Max Velocity says Get LOW.

As to revolvers vs pistols. Double stack pistols offer an undeniable advantage in round count. A loaded Glock 17 is equal to an S&W model 19 PLUS TWO SPEEDLOADERS. You'd have to have a whole belt o speedloaders to equal the Glock plus 2 spare mags. Then again the power of the old Combat Masterpiece can come in handy sometimes.

Granted the whole thing was a total cluster F and agents carrying auto pistols didn't perform much better but to say this incident highlighted the long reload time under realistic combat conditions is an understatement. The revolvers slow reload time was unfortunately a big part of why some FBI agents did not come home that day. To the inevitable person who links to Jerry Miculek or Bob Munden reloading a revolver in .024 seconds 1) They are not using realistic duty gear. 2) The average decent shooter is not Jerry Miculek or Bob Munden. 3) The amount of manipulation required to reload a revolver is absolutely more than a mag fed auto. More manipulation means more time and more things to go wrong. If the death of the service revolver had to be attributed to a single incident it would without a doubt be the Miami 1986 gunfight.

Does this absolutely mean a magnum revolver as a duty/ go handgun is not a valid option? I don't think so. Just because there is a better option doesn't mean a revolver is not a viable tool. I'll get to the specific issues that I believe were more important in a minute.

I am hesitant to criticize the individual agents for their performance or lack thereof. Aside from the worst luck ever, which some could attribute to flaws in their training, a couple things worked against them.

First and foremost the FIBs faced trained and determined opponents, particularly Platt. The FBI agents failed to act as a group; training in contact drills would have helped a lot. This brings up the fact that lots of bad people do in fact have training and experience. IMO both Platt or Maddox were probably better trained for a full on gunfight than the FBI agents.  Also the bad guys were very focused and probably more willing to accept risk than the FBI agents. A trained person who doesn't really care if they die and wants to take as many people with them as possible is going to cause a lot of damage.

Why Maddox was not really a factor in the fight is unknown to this day. It is however good for the agents as if Maddox had pulled his share there would've been a lot more casualties.

Secondly Platt had a magazine fed RIFLE while the agents were armed primarily with various handguns and a couple shotguns. The round count, accuracy and lethality of rifles is such that anybody armed with a pistol is at a huge disadvantage. The results of the fight show this enough I do not need to belabor the point.

I consider the lack of rifles to be more of a critical gear problem for the FBI agents than the specific handguns they were carrying. Had every agent been carrying a Mini-14 or AR-15 variant this fight might have gone down differently, no matter the wheel guns on their hips.  Even the most antiquated rifle is better than just a pistol in a fight. A model 1894 30-30 in a FBI agents hand could have ended this fight a lot faster with fewer casualties.

This event, followed by the North Hollywood shoot out led to the swap out of shotguns in favor of rifles as the law enforcement back up long gun. For a variety of reasons that changeover was a lot slower than the move from wheel guns to pistols and there are still plenty of 870's riding around in cop cars today. Shotgun vs rifle is another discussion but from a strictly combative angle (excluding for a minute economics, legality in anti freedom areas and versatility) I will take a rifle every single time. There is nothing a fighting shotgun does that a fighting rifle cannot do better.

Lethality vs incapacitation:
It is critically important to understand the difference between these two things and why it matters. Obviously lethality means death. Incapacitation means a person is seriously degraded or outright incapable of being an active combatant. Incapacitation is not always lethality. Example, a bullet goes through a person's arm and another hits the hand on the other side. Dude can't manipulate a weapon and as such is incapacitated. Dude's odds of living are very high and he'll probably make a good recovery but for the sake of this fight he is no longer a factor. Lethality is a bit more problematic. A person dying eventually does not make them cease to be a threat right now.

Platt is the textbook example of this. The 9mm round to his chest early in the fight was probably an unsurvivable wound. He could have been on the table in Johns Hopkins and it would not have mattered. However in the time it took for Platt to die (during which he was shot several times) he extracted a fearsome toll.

Don't just expect to shoot somebody once and have them die immediately. The human body is a weird machine, a fraction of an inch can be the difference between immediate lethality and a drawn out death or even a totally survivable wound. If somebody is worth shooting they are worth shooting a lot. Continue shooting your enemy until they are incapacitated and no longer a threat.

Wrapping it up:
Use cover
Do not just be a bunch of individuals, work as a team with your compatriots
Double stack pistols beat auto's as a duty gun
Have a rifle handy for prolonged situations
Expect to shoot somebody a lot before they cease to be a viable threat

So those are my thoughts on that. What is your take?

Tuesday, November 26, 2013

Chris Costa on Shotgun or Handgun for Home Defense

This is an interesting discussion about home defense weapons featuring Chris Costa. Long guns bring a lot to the table but do have some downsides. If your life situation is such that carrying/ dragging a child or disabled adult is a concern pistols have some real benefit in terms of single hand manipulation. I say why not have both a pistol AND a long gun ready to go in something like a Sentry Safe Home Defender then choose, one the other or both as the situation dictates.

Personally I keep a Glock 9mm with a light and an AR also with a light ready in the master bedroom. Next to the safe sits my plate carrier and battle belt. Granted things are pretty bad if I'm putting on full battle rattle in my house but who knows, better to have it and not need it than the opposite.

Thoughts? What is your home defense gun? 
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